Monorod damage?

Ellwyn · February 8, 2013

Am I missing something or is the damage variable for this weapon a little off?

For an avg damage weapon of 31, it does a lot weaker hits than many other weapons i've tried.

For example, an avg damage 25 weapon will hit DISMEMBERS and LACERATES consistently. The monorod goes from LACERATES all the way down to injures and decimates very frequently. Hardly very respectable for a weapon everyone told me was great.

Yes, I am making sure to test on non physical resistant creatures.

Cephirus · February 8, 2013

There is more than the average damage of a weapon to consider when you are looking at final damage output totals. Obviously with this weapon against physical resistant creatures it will do even less damage. Your +dam and luck will also play a factor.

Ellwyn · February 8, 2013

Exact same hit/dam, non physical resist creatures, tested on many different creatures and players.

Was thinking maybe "spears" have a variable dictating a wide range of damage. However, thin handled spear did more consistent damage than the monorod. Just thought it a little strange.

Pali · February 8, 2013

Assuming you're level 50, also. Pre-50 I know there are caps.

KRins · February 8, 2013

Another factor to consider... and it should prove while disproving your theory about thin handled being more stable than the monorod... is the actual XdY of the weapon that creates the average. For instance the monorod is a 7d8. 7 dice with 8 sides are being rolled. You can get anywhere from a 7 (all 1s) to a 56 (all 8s). Pretty wide range. Tempest trident is an 11d4. anywhere from 11 to 44. Still a wide range, but it is smaller than the monorod and offers a higher guaranteed damage with a smaller potential damage. The thin handled spear happens to be a 5d8. It is inherently offering a weaker minimum damage, a weaker maximum damage, but greater stability because 40-5 = 35 whereas 56-7 = 49. Again, there are more variables including your level and the mobs level... but I am just throwing another potential factor in there.

Ellwyn · February 8, 2013

Very interesting. That does shed some light on this situation. Thanks Krins. And to answer previous person, yes it's at lvl 50 character that i am testing this on.

L-A · February 8, 2013

We're allowed to discuss exact stats of items now?

Also - are you really complaining about an avg 31 (highest avg damage in the game IIRC) damage with the effects that weapon has (I don't think it's appropriate for the effects to be posted here btw)?

Go ahead and sac it and use your thin handled spear then - because I for one would love to get my hands on the monorod again. It would make my PK life SO much easier. So very much easier....

L-A

the_nightmare · February 8, 2013

32 avarage is the highest damage IG, the soulforge

Twinblades713 · February 8, 2013

Yea I bet Ellwyn doesn't want the spear and is just bitching instead of trying to understand the concept behind why some mechanic of the game works the way it does... :rolleyes:

Ellwyn · February 8, 2013

Oops. Very sorry if I posted something I shouldn't have (i.e. item stat).

I was merely stating that the monorod does LESS damage than the thin handled majority of the time. And that didn't make sense to me considering the avg dam differences and the fact that monorod "should" be better like your post clearly implies.

Monorod: decimates, decimates, LACERATES, injure, decimates, DISMEMBER

Thin Handled: LACERATE, LACERATE, DISMEMBER, LACERATE

???? Just makes me confused

the_nightmare · February 8, 2013

Oops. Very sorry if I posted something I shouldn't have (i.e. item stat).
I was merely stating that the monorod does LESS damage than the thin handled majority of the time. And that didn't make sense to me considering the avg dam differences and the fact that monorod "should" be better like your post clearly implies.
Monorod: decimates, decimates, LACERATES, injure, decimates, DISMEMBER
Thin Handled: LACERATE, LACERATE, DISMEMBER, LACERATE
???? Just makes me confused

I assume that your damroll is around 30? Higher avg damage weapons need more damroll to "trigger" their dmg potential.I will just point out the difference very simple:

If you have 60damroll wielding a thin handled spear you will rarely do more than massacre, while with the monorod you easily do MANGLES DEMOLISHES.The monorod has one huge downfall, that when wielded on a ninja you cannot study your enemy.

f0xx · February 8, 2013

Very good post by KRins. I would advice you to go back and look at it very carefully. The exact stats usually give you a better idea of the real damage when having in mind your own stats of the character.

Also, there are more things than simple physical resist. For example it's not fair to compare unsanced damage to sanced (and it seems you are doing exactly so).

There is also stone skin, bone armor, protection, flesh armor and being drunk that each cut a percentage of the physical damage you deal (and some not just physical).

There is also the armor class of the person you fight, that also lowers the damage they take.

On top of that, if you have a low damroll and are using a high max dam weapon, luck will make your usually low rolls to spike quite high sometimes and will add to the confusion.

Saying "this weapon deals more damage than that weapon" without considering the many other factors that come into play is not right and will not feed you back any information.

That being said, there are certain weapons that go as low as 3 min damage to 60 maximum. This is actually the highest damage weapon in the game and it's not the soul forge. Such weapon is suited for characters with higher damroll.

Then there is another weapon with 30 avg damage (and very hard to obtain) whose damage goes from 15 to 45. Such a weapon is suited for characters with lower damroll.

Ellwyn · February 8, 2013

Here are some rounds of combat (dual wielding thin handled AND monorod). Note "slice" is the monorod and "pierce" is the thin handled.

Your pierce LACERATES a small man!

Your slice maims a small man!