Evil

[Serinkane]

I am finding a lack of evil players in the lands, and through observation have noted the ones who do play are mostly asswipes. Pardon my french, and it is not an attack by any means so don't go all emo on me with flames. The point I am trying to make is evil is fun, but holy **** EVERYONE is the ruler of the universe. There's like 6 saders running around, evil can have class too.

Please refer to a sticky:

http://www.theforsakenlands.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12309

[P_body]

How, my dear man (I think), do you expect them to behave? With 5 Crusaders running about, and another bunch of goodies/Knights running around, you think evils are going to not get overly defensive and lash out at anything that moves?

Not to mention, when it appears that good characters as well as evil characters enjoy the long-standing pass time of repeated "sac 1." at a corpse, these characters with apparent class can make it pretty hard on the down-trodden and under represented.

What ways would you suggest these specific evil chars improve themselves?

[Celerity]

For most of the game's history, evils have dominated. Isn't Thulgan still around? He should eat any crusader.

[Atticus]

I liked anamus eating my evils LOL

[Serinkane]

Read the essay, I fell in love with it. Your evil, yes understandable and you love pain and suffering, pillage and rape, all that good stuff. Your not the sole ruler of the universe incapable of having friends or acquaintances. You can still talk to people and have evil agendas. How will evil survive these 50+ knights that are constantly helping each other with gear and what not when all the evil are too busy fighting amongst themselves for the Throne to the Universe. Just thoughts, not intending on an argument of emotion here.

[f0xx]

i sac the gyvel cuz i;m evul.

[Serinkane]

lol fox

[Ayroduth]

I'm just going to note that from my experience, most of the "goods" leave equipment in the corpse and the evils are the ones saccing the eq. I'll just say that the last time that I died, I had half a suit of non rares that were sacrificed from me (most of which were purchasable from shops). Tell me the reason behind that. Everyone loves to have some PK and battle, but how do you expect someone to keep fighting in a war or anything else when you leave them naked? Hmmmm?

[Atticus]

Careful if those words lol. Nah I agree completely. One full, then another fills. A ****ty cycle

[Serinkane]

I think some people have gotten the wrong idea of the evil ethos. Nothing says you can't be compassionate in a cynical way, just role play it to your characters evil agenda. Think of all the great evils, they didn't do it alone. Over the years, usually the no brained I'm king of the universe and haven't a morsel of self control characters and the ones who drive me to quit playing. Correct me if I'm wrong staff but evil doesn't have to be *** wipe evil, yes your a mean bully, but think about the long term of the game and the people on the other side of the screen.

[P_body]

@serinkane

I've read the essay, multiple times, and once again before responding treferest. It seems you want the evils to play nice with other evils because they're evil too. Unless you specifically fit their own ends goals, why should they wanna hang out with you any more than the purity avatar?

It's true they can't all hold the throne of the universe, but if only person was trying fire that throne, it wouldn't be enticing to try to claim. Then again, maybe those evil charts just don't like your rp.

Final point: your initial post obviously wasn't objective or else the "bi-lingual" wreference ouldn't have held merit. You had a beef and wanted to vent. I'm just suggesting vent with some added constructive criticism.

E.g. evil chars could:

Determine what GOOD traits they possess. Establish _firmly_ what your vices are (under nearly any circumstance is there a vice if tempted by you couldn't resist ? (Seven deadly sins)

Find one or two people to really hate. Why do you hate them?

Determine one thing you feel remorse over, in character back story or IG events. How does that remorse influence your character s future actions?

Etc. With the char dev. Suggestions

[P_body]

@ Ayrodeath

From what I've seen, multiple knights specifically, seem fond of heavily sac'ing (not just loot) their pkills. It isn't just an occurrence from evils-by far.

Many on both sides of the ethos do and don't fill loot our heavy loot.

[Brehan]

You would be amazed at the nasty **** you see good doing when snooping. I could name a few but I dont want to make it look like i am singling any of them out.

Also you could turn that around and see some of this considerate thins evils are and have done. I will name one here that someone did to one of my chars. evil elder reaver and I fighting for quite some time all of a sudden he notices I am not making any commands which in fact I had been kicked and took some time to reconnect. He flees off and heals and waits to see if my mind returns. Could have killed me but had class. Think one of you could have done that, some maybe others I doubt as I know your kill em all let god sort them out attitude toward the i want to win this game attitudes.

I from snooping know there is a Knight Crusader out there who was happy when a certain Member of nexus did the same thing by fleeing when noticing they were doing nothing. Sorry I just respect class and class comes in all forms not just from not saccing a gyval potion.

[Serinkane]

No, no beef.. you must be one of the PSI's playing to have that ESP skill. It has been an idea I have been thinking for years of playing this game. Here let me put it lamid terms since your going to bash my post. Be a ****, just because you can be a **** and lose pbase. Good job! I'm talking about maturity not RP

[Serinkane]

Brehan, hit the nail on the head.

[Atticus]

Agreed with brehan deff. A good couple of evils have been mad classy. The thing is its player by player. As an evil ninja, the tons I've played I've come back to the corpse with nothing. Again its the class of the player.

[Erelei]

Full looting isn't against any rule, nor is it always considered unclassy. The best advice I can give is when you're full looted, take the opportunity to realize you're a beast and were looted for a reason.

Full looting is a tactic. The road the player base continually takes lately is that once you gain an item it's yours forever. We need to move away from this train of thought.

[tassinvegeta]

Read the essay but don't know what that has to do with looting. They are completely separate topics. Maybe you should reread it?

[Ayroduth]

Full looting isn't against any rule, nor is it always considered unclassy. The best advice I can give is when you're full looted, take the opportunity to realize you're a beast and were looted for a reason.

Full looting is a tactic. The road the player base continually takes lately is that once you gain an item it's yours forever. We need to move away from this train of thought.

Full looting is not always a tactic. Your statement is completely untrue. There have been many times I have been STEAMROLLED only to come back to an empty corpse.

If you were able to kill me with such utter ease, why loot my things? Perhaps they have different motives? Maybe they just want to steamroll you that much easier. Make it easier for another character. Who knows. If you want looting to be considered a tactic then take away a couple of the good pieces. Dont leave someone naked and expect them to keep fighting you. Doesnt work that way.

[P_body]

No' date=' no beef.. you must be one of the PSI's playing to have that ESP skill. It has been an idea I have been thinking for years of playing this game. Here let me put it lamid terms since your going to bash my post. Be a ****, just because you can be a **** and lose pbase. Good job! I'm talking about maturity not RP[/quote']

I'm not bashing your post. I'm saying it isn't as cut and dried as all the evils are classless ***wipes intent on ruling the UNIVERSE. Lack of depth in RP is an issue on both sides, and lack of class _for sure_ isn't a matter of char's ethos.

You said there were a lack of evil in the lands. That by _far_ isn't a static thing. It's true of the current situation only (and it only swung to the good side recently). Hence I suggested your issue must be with more recent events than over the span of years.

If I'm wrong on your intended time frame, then discount that part of my post.

[Enethier]

I do agree that a lot of evils leave much to be desired in terms of RP. I don't believe, however, that this is a problem only (or even simply more) prevalent in evils.

A lot of neutrals play tree-hugging hippies. It has become almost predictable.

A lot of goods play the "knight on a mission to purge" thing, too.

Don't let the so-so RP discourage you, or shape your opinion of a certain alignment/ethos. Everyone starts somewhere. Encourage growth. It's cliche, but "be the change you wish to see". Displeased with current evils? Roll up an evil and inspire people with your RP. It may take a while, but it is quite certainly possible. Look at Thulgan. PK powerhouse for sure. RP is fantastic too. Same with MF and Kurvekiwhatthehellicantspellthis.

[Atticus]

+1

[P_body]

Read the essay but don't know what that has to do with looting. They are completely separate topics. Maybe you should reread it?

The essay was a suggestion on how to improve, the looting/sac'ing was a suggested partial cause as to why improvement might need suggesting in the first place.

And so, the two are distinct, but inter-related topics happening simultaneously in the same thread.

(You can reread that a couple times if you need to.):evil2:

[Serinkane]

Yes, tactics.. I agree. Take it because you need it, because you need him down because hes rocking your socks off non stop. Don't just do it because you can, and don't just make someone's life miserable just because you can. I'm not even referring to full loots really, just classy play style be it Good or Evil ethos. I'm Some of these pinns are relatively new players, pass on good habits.

[P_body]

Agreed with Serinkane.

I don't see full looting as a tactic unless you're 3+ vs. 1 and all three are actively coming at you/your standard. Then, if you want, pick them off and take their stuff (I guess, but even then I don't personally understand the reason).

Looting what you need, or maybe taking just a couple pieces for the sack of pillaging if you want..but heavy looting, or heavy sac'ing stuff just so they can't have it. It just seems a waste.

As there is no rule on it though, to each their own.