Evil

[Erelei]

If you don't want to be full looted, guys, then roll a Moderate. I hate to go that route of decision making, but it seems that's the only issue we have here. They don't like being overly looted.

We have moderates for a reason. Please use them.

[Anume]

Full looting is not illegal.

The other side of the medal is that if you overdo it, you may find yourself alone with people logging off from you bc they know they will end up completely naked if they fight you and lose (this is why really good pkers often do not fullloot, they want the other guy to come back at them for more fun )

Personally, I will do it from time to time, if someone really pisses my char off ic. Or, if I consider the guy extremely dangerous.

What I personally dislike is unnecessary fullloots (e.g. you won easily). People should also get it into their heads that full loot = you have NOTHING left. I very very rarely see anyone getting full looted lately.

On a side note:

- bad rp: someone who rps a tough character whines about losing armor but not his life

- bad rp: evil loots things then HANDS them back to a good (there should be a reason for such deeds, e.g. manipulation, else just drop it, snort, say you don't bother with such trash, etc., there is always a way to rp this out without breaking character)

[P_body]

double post

[P_body]

That's a fair statement.

Currently Ruthless --> Moderate isn't possible, only Moderate --> Ruthless right?

I think a good change would be to allow a Ruthless to become a Moderate, and then still allow that same char to return to ruthless (one time each).

That way, the char who thought Ruthless was a good route (but is getting pounded too much for their liking) can retreat to Moderate without having to make a new char, and can come back out into the no-holds-barred world of Ruthless pk when they're ready.

Thoughts?

[Anume]

The other way around. Ruthless -> moderate you can apply for, Moderate -> Ruthless we will do only in exceptional cases (player started out as a newbie and then got a lot better, we don't want this to be abused as a easy ranking way).

[P_body]

- bad rp: evil loots things then HANDS them back to a good (there should be a reason for such deeds, e.g. manipulation, else just drop it, snort, say you don't bother with such trash, etc., there is always a way to rp this out without breaking character)

I've had an evil who would hand back looted pieces to the victim (good/neutral/evil). I don't see that as necessarily bad RP.

Reasons for handing back eq (without an IG explanation):

-Wanting to make the other char wait upon them.

-Wanting to show that while they are brutal, they are not heartless. (remorseful evil)

-Respect of the other char. (I might want the Knight castle burned to the ground, but out of respect for the opponent, I can return a piece).

Do all evil RP angles have to include excessive pride, bigotry, and disdain for others?

[Iyorvin]

Two great responses by Anume and Morl.

I find this thread hilarious. Some fun facts.

-countless amount of loot complaints after death currently, prior to any and ALL RP. I hardly ever get a 'nice kill beast, but my God has given me more time to fufill my cause, and I will be back to haunt you', give me some RP and I'll give you some items, because I like interaction, not crying.

-complaining after losing a few pieces after death, but yet NO ONE PLAYS MODERATE. After doing some quick exploring I've found many MANY non rare pieces that are better than rares.

-If you log off every single time I log on, avoid me in every pk instance, and avoid cabal warfare every single damned time..........I'll prob loot you. If you try, win or lose, again and again, I'll never touch your things, unless there is a very strong unique piece that benefits me directly.

-A large portion of the playerbase are crybabies and children. I only looted you because you looted my friend. I only looted you because I heard you trashed this guy. I only trashed that guy because he looted me while I died to another. I only looted you when you died to another because you did this to this person. I only did that to that person because they did this. I only did that because they did this while I was trying to pat my dog and my dog got excited and excreted himself on his foot. Well your dog should of died then. Yeah, I guess my dog should of died, then all of this wouldn't of happened, and we all wouldn't be sitting here crying because loot rules. Good point, wnat to roll moderate Heralds now? We can learn how to RP and stop caring about gear! Good idea, and we can get dogs and they can live!

[P_body]

:eek: And that, dear playerbase, is why he's the Z-Day Survivalist. Man's got a plan for everything.

True though. I've heard multiple looting complaints that, come to find out, were highly over dramatized. By and large, the game and pbase aren't nearly as harsh as they once were, and often well within the realm of newb-friendly.

[Dale]

Full looting isn't something to argue about. Just do it if you want to be the only one online.

And I think I'm tired of playing with all of you so I'm going falcon eye and fulling everyone.

[Iyorvin]

I tried to full loot once, but realized that with a full backpack of farmed consumables I can only pick up one piece of food and eat it, nothing more.

[Dead Voodoo Doll]

i wish i could kill my dog

[Atticus]

Tribs autoloot bypasses weight standards. SCORE

[Serinkane]

I tried to full loot once' date=' but realized that with a full backpack of farmed consumables I can only pick up one piece of food and eat it, nothing more. [/quote']

HAHAHAHA I almost fell out of my chair, thats me!

But seriously, this wasn't created to bitch about to full loot or not to full loot. It's about class, attract players and keep it classy Aabahran!

[P_body]

(Failed attempt to be absurd and find an excuse to use the fish slap) :slap:

[Serinkane]

Here we go with the PSI skills again, if your going to flame my post get off it. You sound like my wife now, "That's not what you said, you said this!" I think I know what point I'm trying to convey, maybe you should look deeper.

[Mali]

Sometimes I full loot, sometimes I don't!

Respect the characters and the players behind them.

Be true to your motives and your characters sense of things.

Strive for suspension of disbelief and cathartic RP whether evil, good, or a neutral monk.

[Atticus]

Neut monks!!!!!

[Killfiend]

Full looting isn't against any rule, nor is it always considered unclassy. The best advice I can give is when you're full looted, take the opportunity to realize you're a beast and were looted for a reason.

Full looting is a tactic. The road the player base continually takes lately is that once you gain an item it's yours forever. We need to move away from this train of thought.

Just wanted to touch a point from this. Sure some cases may be that you were a beast, got beat, and full looted, but I have had, and see it done to many others, even at low lvl, training to boot, someone comes in beats the **** out of you, you have worthless crap, even some starter gear, and they full loot you, when everything they have is rare and MUCH better than your things. It happens at pinn too. Either way you look at it, it happens to a new player they are not going to stick around to care. I just think in some cases like this it should be somehow regulated.

[Erelei]

We have regulated this. We actually insist that new players play Moderates in character creation. Being a moderate prohibits this via code from happening.

[Iyorvin]

We have regulated this. We actually insist that new players play Moderates in character creation. Being a moderate prohibits this via code from happening.

+1

Some muds actually have code put in to loot ONLY rares when you type get all corpse. This makes it easier to full loot people without getting handfuls of consumables and backpacks.

[Enethier]

Neut monks!!!!!

I, too, feel that it is very silly to give monks a "good or evil" restriction. It makes more sense that they would be neutral, being that monks are most commonly portrayed as seeking balance within and around.

[Mindflayer]

Look at Thulgan. PK powerhouse for sure. RP is fantastic too. Same with MF and Kurvekiwhatthehellicantspellthis.

Respect. (Kurvikhel )

[Dale]

Yeah and when I killed him I didn't even loot!

(Love you Mindflayer)

[MeleeCrazy]

This isn't an issue of good and evil, but one of trash and class. The problem with full looting as a tactic is that it legitimizes its use for any player regardless of the quality of player they are. Once used its overused then people who wouldn't do it do. Then new players learn to do it or quit. Full looting should never be tolerated period. A veteran player knows what they need to take to weaken an opponent if needed. Most players know the role a backpack full of consumables plays in combat. Why ever take everything other than just to be a douche. Rp or lack there of is a different issue all together. Full loot if you want the game to die is putting it best.

[Kyzarius]

This isn't an issue of good and evil' date=' but one of trash and class. The problem with full looting as a tactic is that it legitimizes its use for any player regardless of the quality of player they are. Once used its overused then people who wouldn't do it do. Then new players learn to do it or quit. Full looting should never be tolerated period. A veteran player knows what they need to take to weaken an opponent if needed. Most players know the role a backpack full of consumables plays in combat. Why ever take everything other than just to be a douche. Rp or lack there of is a different issue all together. Full loot if you want the game to die is putting it best.[/quote']

Couldn't agree more myself.

Full looting really makes this game a lot less fun.