Full looting Criminals

[sith_da_pirate]

I think it's utterly ridic to have to loose everything from being captured.

Even roleplaying with Tribunals they dont return Jack. This needs to change. What is the point of Watcher if you spend 99% of your time naked and dying because if captured once.....Even before being able to escape all you things are stripped and then after you cant even retaliate and get revenge because now you naked. So stupid

[Trick]

And when you full loot the Tribunal..?

EDIT: I am just asking, not being a dick.

[J.Twendrist]

Maybe when the executions happen, everything in the body should go to the central square with the corpse. Then it's like any other pk with a body being there with all the stuff for either the winner to take or loser to recover.

[sith_da_pirate]

It should sit in the corpse at the center, the whole point of escaping from jail is to be able to recover. Whats the point of being broken out if your buck naked. And Trick I have never full looted anyone, no matter how mad they made me. I could see if things I held were of use but to take it all jsut to full sac and repeat is just sensless.

[Kyzarius]

It should sit in the corpse at the center' date=' the whole point of escaping from jail is to be able to recover. Whats the point of being broken out if your buck naked. And Trick I have never full looted anyone, no matter how mad they made me. I could see if things I held were of use but to take it all jsut to full sac and repeat is just sensless.[/quote']

Even if you did, you never get their entire load packed in a bag with a bow on it. Give the tribbie three items, syndicate style. This is still three to the trib, plus two to the omg the game hates you rotting that happens if you die.

Punish players enough, they will just sop playing.

[The Forsaken]

How exactly did your RP go with the Tribunal?

[Iyorvin]

Syndicate get 3 items..........then they get to rummage through your corpse. Don't fool anyone. If a Tribunal is full'ing you they are being a d-bag, but it's no different than anyone else looting you except it's much easier.

The only reason this is even an issue now is because Tribunal has some decent pk'ers in it. Once the tide turns Tribunal will be pooped on and no one will care they get a bag, because they will lose it in half a day to the multiple of people who will multi kill them.

[sith_da_pirate]

Rp went like this, Second time around after he got spanked he got me on some crazy lagness at my altar after I grabbed his standard. I told him well done and to reaplce me things basicly what was left so we could keep the action going, then the Savant attacked him and he said your beat and got rid of it all.

[the_nightmare]

Long time ago I said that this needs to be changed, maybe before an year ago.Tribunal was able to loot even my cabal items , for which I have spent around 4k cabal points. Don't tell me that it is the same like the typical full loot because it is not.When you get killed by someone he must have the time to full loot you, and if you manage to get fast to your body you can still keep most of your items.I don't see how it is fair to autostrip someone especially if their skills/spells are made so OP because Tribunal as a cabal have so much enemies.Lets just not lie to ourselves, the tribunals have one of the most powerful skill set in the game.

Also because I RP'ed my character somehow good and just was having fun with it, nobody of the Tribunals ever wanted to full loot me (hands down).What is the meaning if full looting someone when you don't want to? Silly game mechanic.

[sith_da_pirate]

That and the fact if they wanted to Fully loot a corpse you would nee to be able to carry it all or make room for it or drop and sac ect....which still leaves to chance you might get back in time to grab that one back pack with two opal rings in it to keep you going.

[EyeSeeU]

Yes, because we all know how hard those opal rings are to get. I think it would be better perhaps if the amount of rares taken were either lowered or it wasn't done automatically before execution/sentence. As for Outlaws, well you're and Outlaw and you did it to yourself.

[the_nightmare]

Yes' date=' because we all know how hard those opal rings are to get. I think it would be better perhaps if the amount of rares taken were either lowered or it wasn't done automatically before execution/sentence. As for Outlaws, well you're and Outlaw and you did it to yourself.[/quote']

And how I did it to myself, by retrieving my standard? Your reply is somehow not serious.

[sith_da_pirate]

Xylth Acctually outlawed me after he attacked me unflagged in Val and then flagged and exiled outlawed me lol I was only cap'd about 3-4 times before

And yes for Standard.

[J.Twendrist]

If you're a Watcher or Knight right now I'd expect to be outlawed. Why wouldn't Tribunal exile members of an enemy cabal? Shouldn't even matter how many times you were flagged previously.

[the_nightmare]

Yes' date=' because we all know how hard those opal rings are to get. As for Outlaws, well you're and Outlaw and you did it to yourself.[/quote']

Don't worry sith the pirate, the mud is still newbie friendly.

[J.Twendrist]

I think the items ought to be in the corpse in the center square. Seems fair to me. Coming from someone who has played Tribbies and Outlaws.

[the_nightmare]

When you capture an outlaw there should be five pieces that you can choose to loot, then after being executed the corpse can b in central square everybody being able to loot.

[Dale]

I think they shouldn't get anything. They choose to be tribunal, hell it's already unbalanced since they get that uber autoattack pet and they never actually have to get a finishing blow, your basically done around 100 hp remaining. And I've never seen Tribunal lacking, atleast not in the way watcher -always- is. Maybe it's time to rebalance.

[Trick]

^ Terrible idea in my opinion.

This is my idea:

CONFISCATE

Syntax: Confiscate {ITEM}

Tribunal, being the judge, jury, and executioners of the Cities of Aabahran are allowed the right to confiscate any item from the captured criminal to prevent further law-breaking. As the criminal continues to become renown as high-priority criminal, the capturing Tribune is permitted to confiscate more and more items. The amount of items allowable ranges from 1-5 based on the severity, continued conduct, and status of Outlaw.

Increase the time a Tribunal can stay in the cell and let them choose their items to confiscate. Five items is NOT a full loot, but it is devastating enough to make it "fair" for a Tribunal and will serve a purpose. In my mind, this is an EASY solution.

Thoughts?

[Dead Voodoo Doll]

how many Watchers did we just burn through?

[mya]

I think it's utterly ridic to have to loose everything from being captured.

Even roleplaying with Tribunals they dont return Jack. This needs to change. What is the point of Watcher if you spend 99% of your time naked and dying because if captured once.....Even before being able to escape all you things are stripped and then after you cant even retaliate and get revenge because now you naked. So stupid

MODERATE

"All things in moderation" is the motto for all who choose this path. While

this tier may be more palatable to those who are newer to the game, it is by

no means the "newbie tier". This tier is for all who are less brutal in the

aspects of Playerkilling. Those who choose the MODERATE tier will receive

the following:

- They are limited in the number of rare items that they may wear at one time.

- Non-rares (outside of gold) cannot be looted from their corpses.

- Only two rare items may be looted from their corpses by the person

who killed them.

- In turn, they cannot loot more than two items from the corpse of their

victims.

- They are allowed to join cabals, but will not receive promotions above

Trusted - The exception to this being the Herald cabal.

- Once killed by someone, that person cannot kill them again for an extended

period of time UNLESS they re-initiate combat with their killer, or attempt

to assault their killer's cabal.

__________________

Tribunal is not an easy cabal. If anything it's the hardest cabal on FL.

During regular conditions, it's quite frustrating.

Some random guy wishes to kill you, only had to unsheath in town and never engage in it so that he death protection. If the tribunal dies, he can lose everything. The other guy only loses 2 items, and doesn't even dies.

Cabal powers that only work vs wanted.

Random Cabal declares vendetta? You can only Warrant them if they commit a crime. Good thing that the Tribunal cabal is a lawful area so attacking the Tribunal cabal is a crime.

You go and kill leader of Vendeta Cabal that killed you 10 times in a row. Good, here is a bag with 2 items, have fun dieing again. Unless he is Outlaw.

BUT I agree with you on something. Getting OULAWed or Wanted just because you are a member of Watcher is wrong. As is handing free OUTLAW status. I once did this to people who were caught 3 times breaking the law and was forced to remove the OUTLAW status of them. Still it was fun seeing them suffer being an OUTLAW :tongue:

The point being, Tribunal looting is fine. What is wrong is the "Law of Enmity".

[Iyorvin]

I wrote a HUGE post about this last night and deleted it, because the last time we had this conversation it was said we are beating a dead horse and there is no point in having the conversation. Fun facts.

1. Too many things in FL get changed because certain cabals have too many good player killers in them.

2. Too many things in FL get changed because of ignorance, when they are fully and easily beat.

3. You want to put a corpse in central square after a 12 hour wait timer on an execution? That's fair? Cause now a Tribunal who possible barely beat you with no health, has to hope to hell he or she, who FINALLY managed to take down that big bad character, doesn't have to now fight off multiple other players who are now trying to break them out. And even if they DON"T get broken out, is now in some finger race with 10 people standing in Central Commons spamming 'get all corpse'. Yeah ok.

4. If a new 50 who powered to 50 just to counter a Tribunal who pissed them off on another character decides they want to now kill said Tribunal, they can walk into town and attack. They get wanted, and guess what? Even if they lose that fight the player knows full well they won't lose A SINGLE ITEM. Meanwhile, that player is sitting there going, oh yeah, rolled his counter, and once I cap that mofo I'm gonna loot everything. Get real. Guess what? 19 times this player can abuse the Tribunal in this manner knowing full well at most they will lose 6 itmes, and be prepared to full loot that Tribunal.

5. Adjudicator has a nice skill set. Fair enough. However, if you put the equally skilled player in behind another cabal with another combo they would still be beating you down. Council skill set is a glorified RP cabal, and if you don't know why or how than you've never had one or are just bad at PK. So lets stop right here and now with this none sense they have some super OP set, because it's not correct information.

6. The only reason this conversation is being beat to death is because Tribunal currently has 4 decent pk'ers who are smashing heads. If those four players were half noobs and were being stomped people would be on here being sympathetic going, I'm glad they get that bag, considering how many people take advantage of them and kill them, knowing full well they will only lose 3 items if they lose.

7. The bag is like democracy. It's the worst option we have but it's better than all the others. We have tried different methods, like outlaws simply dying, but they take away from the RP aspect of it all. The glory of Tribunal is the public execution. I really must reiterate the point, this is only a problem now because the Tribunal cabal is strong right now.

8. The Tribunal cabal is usually strong because it has SO MUCH RP POTENTIAL and forced plots and it's just BADASS. Think ROME REPUBLIC, with plotting senators and praetorians(sp). Glory to the Empire! Except without armies. Or Spartacus. ****ing Spartacus.

9. Cabal items not being taken is probably a good idea, except once again, if the Tribunal dies they don't get that luxury.

10. Don't join watcher if you are not ready for ELITE PK. You KNOW YOU WILL BE AN OUTLAW in that cabal. PERIOD. Not buts about it. Before Xylth made that new law we had the majority of Watchers not even wanted, which means they were not even doing their cabal duty. Watcher isnt' some tree hugging RP cabal. It's ****ing David Suzuki........................with rabies.

11. Knight declared war on Tribunal, knowing the Laws, and required a majority vote. They made a decision based on the CURRENT TRIBUNAL LINE UP. Then all we see is Arthryn fighting that war. How is this poor fool supposed to beat the entire Nexus line up, which has some decent pk'ers in their own right, then take down Tribunal as well, which have one extreme counter class. Players want promotions and rewards and titles and etc etc etc, but yet don't understand how to get them? Look at Arthryn. Play like Arthryn. Earn your glory.

12. I don't see Thulgan complaining? Or captured for that matter? The guy is a beast and I'm not even sure the Tribunal go after him. Why? Because Thulgan can PK and take care of himself, and if he was more actively at war with Tribunal the Tribs would be logging off and this conversation again, wouldn't even be going on.

13. To reiterate again on this. Active, well played cabals, with multiple decent pk'ers, will often have the playerbase in a huff. It's always been this way.

14. The problem is not the bag, it's finding a fair solution.

15. I usually play one character/year. I tend to get sucked into my characters far too much and put too much time into them, so I need to take breaks. Among other reasons. Since my return this year, the player base has become more and more and more and more and more and more hand holding, crying foul, babies. EVERYONE. And I mean EVERYONE, except Arthryn, has EXPECTED to have their armaments IN FULL returned. This is only the people I've interacted with btw. Lets not harp on the entire pbase here. They then come on here and I hear sentiments about how they 'RP' and still were full looted. Hell, I have proof of people telling people they were full looted by my character when I never even looked at their corpse. My pk's usually consist of g coins corpse, and moving on. My point with all of this is......................we are all getting far too soft. Looting sucks? Yet we are all playing an enforced RP/PK mud with full loot. While other muds are creating code to make it easier for people to be full looted, we are creating a culture where taking a single item from a corpse generates our form of 'RP', if it can be called that. We have a programmed in Moderate path, with non rare items that are even better than rare items in a LOT of armor spots, if you can find them, yet no one utilizes the path because everyone in this game wants to be the next MARTY, or insert unkillable badass leader here. The fact is most of us will never make T, or past T, because as soon as we get full looted we rage delete.

16. It's quite simple in my mind. I guess it's because if any Tribunal tries to mess with me I'll kick em to the curb. But outlaw used to be a badge of honor. It means something, and still does. Don't like being outlawed? Don't roll a watcher. Just don't do it. There are other cabals. Don't declare war on Tribunal and expect to not get outlawed..............I mean that is pretty damn obvious.

17. STOP JOINING CABALS AND NOT PARTICIPATING IN CABAL WARFARE. I saw a WM inductee go balls deep vs two savants last night. I think he dies 4 times and just kept on keeping on. It's not his fault WM inductees are the only cabal that gets a massive 'screw you' upon induction, but he knew that going into the cabal, and didn't come crying here after 5 deaths.

18. Don't be afraid to die. If you die, and are full looted, you now have a chance for some interaction. Grab a friend, have some RP, and get to business. If you're in a cabal you can cabal outfit, and btw, certain cabal outfit gear is better than any other pieces in the game for the right class, so it's not a horrible suit.

19. I like to count.

20. This conversation bores me.

[J.Twendrist]

Good points. What if when a criminal gets knocked out and captured, they lay and are able to be looted until the Tribunal orders the guards to "retrieve" said criminal for public execution? Then it's just like regular pk, but you still get the jail time and the public execution.

[Atticus]

The biggest thing u find us the advantage if a Trib capping, and then getting the standard while enemy is in jail. Not like the co for capping isn't enough, let's combine the death healing and the wait around to lose your standard.

[Iyorvin]

The biggest thing u find us the advantage if a Trib capping' date=' and then getting the standard while enemy is in jail. Not like the co for capping isn't enough, let's combine the death healing and the wait around to lose your standard.[/quote']

This is actually a very valid point. But the trade off comes with the fact that the outlaw has a chance to keep his/her life after a pk, the Tribunal does not. Furthermore, life insurance is much cheaper when you know you can be broken out of jail.

I really do like the fact you brought up the standard taking though, because Tribunal do get a massive advantage there. Although it certainly only applies if Tribunal is steam rolling the outlaw.