Thwomp and Norobos

[Boy Kid Wonder]

Then I apologize. With everyone leaving it makes me angry because it seems like the game is dying. I know one of the two that left today said they would stay if ganging was back to the old way. Where you couldn't gang at ALL. But hey, thats not the times and times change. People need to get used it and move with it.

[Lexi]

Re Chayesh:

I find it hard, very hard, as a player to take those things(you know, clan/cabal promotion, etc) up with Immortals in game. It's like when you apply for a job and have to meet the boss for an interview or something. Unless you have everything planned out before you contact him/her, you're probably going to end up in a worse position than before. That is why I am reluctant to initiate a conversation with Immortals, and become really nervous when they initiate one with me. What if the Imm is really busy? What if I really am not good enough? What if he/she thinks I am just nagging? What should I say? What should I do? Do I take too long to respond? Quite a mess, actually.

All members of the staffs are humans too(or so I would like to imagine), and make mistakes just as we do(or so I would like to imagine), but when I see one of you guys/gals in game, I feel that we are on a different level. You make the world spin around. You make the sun go up. You are the boss, and I am the would-be employee.

I think.. hope... I am not the only player that feels this way.

A little off-topic, but still relevant in my opinion. It is alot easier to go to the forum with one's concerns. Keeping it in game takes more guts, I suppose. But I really agree with you Chayesh, on all your points. It's just not always that easy to do the right thing. Heck, it's not always so easy to know what the right thing is.

[Icor]

Re Chayesh:

I find it hard, very hard, as a player to take those things(you know, clan/cabal promotion, etc) up with Immortals in game. It's like when you apply for a job and have to meet the boss for an interview or something. Unless you have everything planned out before you contact him/her, you're probably going to end up in a worse position than before. That is why I am reluctant to initiate a conversation with Immortals, and become really nervous when they initiate one with me. What if the Imm is really busy? What if I really am not good enough? What if he/she thinks I am just nagging? What should I say? What should I do? Do I take too long to respond? Quite a mess, actually.

All members of the staffs are humans too(or so I would like to imagine), and make mistakes just as we do(or so I would like to imagine), but when I see one of you guys/gals in game, I feel that we are on a different level. You make the world spin around. You make the sun go up. You are the boss, and I am the would-be employee.

I think.. hope... I am not the only player that feels this way.

A little off-topic, but still relevant in my opinion. It is alot easier to go to the forum with one's concerns. Keeping it in game takes more guts, I suppose. But I really agree with you Chayesh, on all your points. It's just not always that easy to do the right thing. Heck, it's not always so easy to know what the right thing is.

I feel the exact same way.

Just try to tell yourself a few things though. The imms are still human, and probably feel the same way interacting with mortals. They don't want to typo and stuff, and try to look good, just like we try to look good for them. If they're busy, the most they can do is tell you that they're busy.

[Yuri]

I feel the exact same way.

Just try to tell yourself a few things though. The imms are still human, and probably feel the same way interacting with mortals. They don't want to typo and stuff, and try to look good, just like we try to look good for them. If they're busy, the most they can do is tell you that they're busy.

Me too often enough it's like I want to spark something but when it gets down to it I end up screwing up or worse. I mean I've never had an outright slay probably just some imm talk behind the scens laughing at my poathetic attempts to spark rp with others or my manners or lack of pk skill but hey who knows eh? Something fun can always come up which satisfies all parties. And I'm sure when they're busy and want a break, or aren't and could use a break from the ordinary they'd not mind someone skilled or such providing it ^_-

[Deykari]

Never spoke with/saw Thwomp so I can't comment, but I'll miss Norobos. Fun to talk with. Shame you're going, but your decision.

Not going to try and make it sound like 'advice' or anything, heck, you've been here about thirty times longer than me or something, but the thing you should remember is that Cabals and promotions are by no means a right; they are a privelage. Cabals are an elite core of people who will fight/speak out for their beliefs, and as such, to be selected from the most elite & dedicated. Now I'm not saying you weren't either of those, but even if you've playing four weeks at pinn and not even seen a peep of promotion, it doesn't matter. Another prerequisite to Cabals that to be frank, I think a lot of people forget, is patience, in some cases. Some people get Caballed straight at pinn; that is a lot to do with Cabal numbers, opposing Cabal numbers, as well as PK/RP skill, but it's not always going to be an easy ride into a Cabal. Why should it? They are not a right, they are something bestowed upon you when your Cabal Leader thinks you're ready. If those around you are getting promoted/inducted faster, there are always reasons. That might just be the ultimate test they're giving you - that of patience.

Well, I've shared my spiel. Almost all of your characters I've interacted with have had good RP & PK abilities and it's a shame to see you leave. I honestly don't think Malch's comment was a flame or meant as a flame, or your comment was to call out Malch. Text often makes it harder to communicate about things because you lose vital elements of communication - emphasis, tone, and so on, that lets you convey what you want in the manner you wish it to be recieved.

Ah, and one final comment (I just can't stop can I) regarding the Immortals. I think pretty much everyone here would admit they respect you, even when you have intensely differing opinions. And more often than not, it's the people who keep quiet in the background that have the most appreciation for what you do. Some of the negatives I've seen brought up are more often than not, (exactly like I remember Tom saying a little while ago) nothing more than people wanting to voice a genuine concern but going about it the wrong way.

Dey

[Questioner]

Sad to see yah go. I interacted with thwomp multiple times. I loved his "I hate you" personality. WIsh you did not leave so soon. Good luck in Iraq and shoot me some insurgents!

[Chayesh]

Hey gang...trust me.

I HATE making typos when talking to you guys. It's the same on this side of the curtain, too. We just may not be as nervous about it because we:

1. Do it more often than you do and are used to it.

2. Realize that ICly we have "the Power" and the mortals want it. That helps.

That's why I suggested a note in game. It gives you time to edit it and make it pretty and gets you noticed without catching the IMM at a "bad time".

And yes, Deykari is right. My post makes it seem like my view of the pbase is largely what I described when, in fact, it's the opposite. Most of you fall into the "here and happy to play the game, constructively disagree when necessary" instead of the other two. But it's a well-known management principle that says you'll spend 80% of your time actively managing 20% of your staff. That principle applies here since 20% of you create 80% of my stress and frustration.

I seriously don't know why those few people have such animosity toward us. Now that this thread is TOTALLY derailed, I'm just curious. I mean, with common goals, we should be able to work together for the good of the MUD, right?

[Designated_Driver]

Maybe you wouldn't be hated so much if you didn't claim an IMP was leaving every five seconds.

[WarriorCleric]

A little off-topic' date=' but still relevant in my opinion. It is alot easier to go to the forum with one's concerns. Keeping it in game takes more guts, I suppose. But I really agree with you Chayesh, on all your points. It's just not always that easy to do the right thing. Heck, it's not always so easy to know what the right thing is.[/quote']

If you have concerns that for some reason you feel need to be taken to the forum, then they should be placed in the prayer forum. People who come to the open forum and talk poorly about the game when this option exist are either ignorant or trying to incite something. Please note that I am not saying you are either, I understand what you are saying, and all though I don't fully agree, I don't see it as completely wrong, I guess I'll explain in a little bit.

Me too often enough it's like I want to spark something but when it gets down to it I end up screwing up or worse. I mean I've never had an outright slay probably just some imm talk behind the scens laughing at my poathetic attempts to spark rp with others or my manners or lack of pk skill but hey who knows eh? Something fun can always come up which satisfies all parties. And I'm sure when they're busy and want a break' date=' or aren't and could use a break from the ordinary they'd not mind someone skilled or such providing it ^_-[/quote'] First let me just say this is not specificly targeting you Yuri, it's going towards the broad audience here and all you's and you'res aren't referencing you specificly. It's just that You and Melinda are the first posts I'vse seen in a while that are worth mentioning on these topic.

Now that being said, you're not going to get better if you just sit with your thumb up your butt and great expectations that things are going to get easier for you. All players are in the same boat as you, all players have the same options, it's just that some players take these chances, do they **** up? Oh hell yeah, I know I do, and I know other players did with me all the time. I am not worlds best rper and I talk myself into holes all the time, and a lot of other players did too, but no one laughed at the players in the past for this. In fact a lot of owner only items were given out because of these holes or mistakes, were they dragons? No, they were trash items that suddenly held some value with the player. The issue is that it just stops being fun when you sign into the forum and see a large chunk of vocal asses screaming about getting a piece of coal.

The core of this group of players who have personal grudges with the staff are jealous power players who aren't getting cabals, vampires, avatars, etc, and unfortunely players like you two with concerns that aren't about damning the staff get caught up in the mix.

So for Yuri and Melinda, I'd really suggest that if you have concerns like these that you mentioned, and I suppose even those ignorant few others, to take them up on the prayer forum, where the imms can be a bit more open with you specificly, where you can ask more specific questions, and get specific answers, or take these chances to do it in game. And this really goes to everyone, in every facet of your life, if you have a problem, why wouldn't you take it up with the source? You don't need twenty other people to validate your concern, it's your concern, that should be valid enough for you. For those who are doing it, I urge you to goto your place of employment, stand up on a desk and start yelling about all the things you don't like about your job, and the ways to fix it trying to 'see if others feel the same way.' It's openly subversive and just down right disrespectful. ****, when this happened on boats, it was called mutiney.

I guess what I can get my head around is the idea that none of us pay to play here except for Behrens and other staff(?), and he really doesn't get to play here that often. All the time spent running the mud is volunteered time and it's not time spent playing the game, and I am damn certian that if each one of the staff didn't love it they wouldn't be doing it, but that doesn't really mean you should **** on them if you don't like it. The door is there, it's about that time for some of the players to **** or get off the pot. Mud code is free, download it and setup a game how you'd like it to be, you might find that processes a lot of fun if you tried.

It's alright to disagree, I don't like quite a few of the things going on in the mud(I'll tell everyone again, I hate Tribunal, but I know when and where to pick my fights and beating a dead horse is just plain stupid), but when I disagree and feel I have something important to say, I'll take to the prayer forum every time. But I am still here when I want to be because I know when I sign in, I am going to have some fun. When that stops, I'm getting the hell out, I enjoy my life to much to waste it on something thats not giving me anything back.

WC

[CoffeeBuzz]

no one shows any respect for any IMM. Zero. Not one of you would pop off to any former IMP the way some of you do.

one word ... slay.

I mean, this is a fantasy realm and if you ticked off the wrong God, you die. Its nothing personal, its what they do.

And in RP I have only one thing to say. You can have a plan, you can try and hard as you can to execute it but at the end of the day you ROLL WITH THE PUNCHES even when things dont go your way. Its called RP.

[Iyorvin]

Well Chayesh, I hope I didn't offend you. I read your post as a negative perspective of the pbase and I don't like to see IMM's go down that path.

Some are so quick to jump on the gun about IMM's not doing their job. Thwomp was what, only one week old as is? Heres some points that I have brought up that were delt with very quickly.

1. Tribunal skill with regards to certain cabals, delt with very quickly and was given response on it very quickly.

2. Unworking cabal skills, something which ONLY concerned my char as an individual. Guess what? Yes, delt with THE SAME DAY(required coding to fix).

3. Made it into a Cabal, but a sudden world shift booted me then prevented me from applying for seven days. Same day I was placed into the cabal by an IMP.

I could go on, but anyone who has ever brought issues up to Eshaine or Raargant have all seen almost immediate resolve. I don't know if Zrothum had a bad day or what not, but this entire issue got way out of hand. Malch shouldn't of even responded, Zrothum should of just been instant warned in a PM. None of this would of arisen, no respect would of been lost, save the respect Zrothum lost himself by those not so subtle cracks, because truthfully, it just makes the poster look bad.

Peace.

[WarriorCleric]

one word ... slay.

I mean, this is a fantasy realm and if you ticked off the wrong God, you die. Its nothing personal, its what they do.

This never works, players complain of abuse of power, even when it's entirely rp driven.

WC

[Chayesh]

one word ... slay.

I mean, this is a fantasy realm and if you ticked off the wrong God, you die. Its nothing personal, its what they do.

And in RP I have only one thing to say. You can have a plan, you can try and hard as you can to execute it but at the end of the day you ROLL WITH THE PUNCHES even when things dont go your way. Its called RP.

RPwise, I have no problem slaying any of you. Helloooo, All-Powerful God of Death here. Though usually, I'll do something more creatively nasty than cookie cutter slay.

I was speaking of RL and the forum personalities and a general lack of respect shown the current IMPs from some compared to the former.

I've yet to find that any IMP powers actually exist in the real world or I'd be "goto"-ing to work and set char Chayesh gold 1,000,000 every day.

Addendum: Iyorvin, BKW, no need for apologies. I just wanted to be sure I communicated which I apparently didn't do well with my first post. It's all good.

[Zrothum]

By far, not one of my best days, yesterday.

Apologies, far and wide.

[Zrothum]

Nostalgia........

I love reading some of the stupid crap I say. Hindsight....always 20/20

[Deykari]

You also had this great moustache.

Dey

[Questioner]

Just my input. I liked thwomp ooc. IC I hate people who kill for no apparent reason until in hindsight it may be just "pk is rp". Props on taking forever to delete.

[Anume]

On the topic of being afraid of talking/sending a note to your Imm.

You have two alternatives:

- Send a rp note to the cabal you want to apply to, something short and to the point, your Imm will see it as well. Make sure you don't bore anyone but they see why you could be useful to have along.

- Get someone already in your future cabal to notice you and send that note to the cabal imm in your stead.

Generally some Imms are harder to talk to than others, depending on their rp. (Talking to Malch as a mort is like a coffeein shock for my me every time, exiting, dangerous but also vastly enjoyable ). If there are some E or even a L in the cabal you want to get in, approaching them is often a safer way to get noticed.

Questioner: Watch it. Borderline flaming will not be tolerated.

[Kyzarius]

heck to get into nexus, vorqwuith just slew a few knights and presented the souls to his elders...bingo...attention gotten.

Helps to rp A LOT.

My last 10 toons have all made cabals, and all made trusted and one of them made avatar (the wait for which took 34 days after approval, you think you have to wait to get into a cabal!! hah!!)

If you stick to it and make a visible effort you will always get what your after more or less, as long as you meet the basic requirements. The imms arent here to stand in your way, but to allow passage. Be it Cabal or Qrace.

[Belegriel]

I hate you all.

[Mudder]

I hate you all.

[screaming sayoonara]

I hate you all.

that has got to be the best comment made yet...had me laughing for a while

[Zrothum]

The best things....always stolen from me...then re-used, and get praised.

-I- hate you all.

[Chayesh]

The best things....always stolen from me...then re-used, and get praised.

-I- hate you all.

Yeah...because I've never heard Lunicant say that ever.

[Zrothum]

Well....that makes two of us.