Sleeping Problems

[Guest emp_newb]

smoke a big fat left handed cigarrette.

[Guest emp_newb]

Pali.... We are on the same level, fatty + dinner = sleepy

[Mindflayer]

Get a sleep study.

[Pali]

Just get so drunk you pass out...

And this suggestion, which gets no objections, is SO much healthier than smoking a couple hours before bed... ^_~

[Deptore]

Drinking is generally frowned upon less than smoking, even though I've several reasons why smoking is healthier. I can only think it's because growing up you're taught just say no and hear all the time about how they'll hurt you so much yet they make alcohol legal and I can't remember ever having a class or guidance counsilor tell me not to drink.

[Tantangel]

I have no problem with people drinking themselves to sleep. I just have a thing against drugs other than alcohol and the usual pharmacy and OTC drugs because I grew up with it around me, then I saw it completely destroy other peoples families. Not saying that is happening to you or anything, it's just a prejudice I have against it and all other forms of illegal drugs. And yes, I know that people abuse legal drugs too, but when I see that start to tear apart families, that's when I'll decide they're bad too. For now though, I think I'll pop my Norco.

[Pali]

EDIT: You know... never mind. There's no point in getting into another debate about pot vs alcohol and other drugs on the forum.

[Deptore]

Here here Pali, but I do have to say one statement or else I won't rest easy when I go to bed in a min. Do the words legal or illegal really make that big of a difference? My opinion is that all are equal be it legal or illegal, nothing is worse than anything else because they all have the potential to do the same thing. Not so I get the last statement but that conversation is over and we're getting back to the original topic. I'd say you've been given some great tips so far with letting your body calm down, now my question is are you sure you don't have your nights and days mixed up? I personally am a natural night person, I have trouble sleeping at night because I have more energy then and I'm tired through the day. You could always try some home remedies before you sleep, milk and cookies are a good one (sugar about 30 mins before sleep can be a sedative, just don't eat to much or you'll have a reverse affect). Warm milk is also something good to try.

[Tantangel]

EDIT: You know... never mind. There's no point in getting into another debate about pot vs alcohol and other drugs on the forum.

Let me say it this way then. I neither promote nor do I condone anyone drinking alcohol. It's not that it's any better per se than illegal drugs, they can all be harmful in some way. Do I promote or condone usage of any legal drugs? No, I think they can be just as bad in a lot of situations. IE: Driving while under heavy pain relievers will get you a DUI just as easy as driving drunk/high. Hell, I've done really stupid things with alcohol before that would've probably killed other people, IE: a few months ago I decided to go to Nevada to visit a friend and drank all but 5 shots of Captain Morgan in 30 minutes and then started on something else but can't remember because I blacked out.

As for the original topic, some people just can't go to sleep by normal means. Some people have to drain themselves completely of energy to finally collapse and fall asleep. That's about the only way I can go to sleep 'normally'. One time I offered to pull 3 shifts in a row just so I could finally go to sleep after I'd been up for a few days, and it works. Everyone's different though, whether they toke it up, drink it up, swallow pills or whatever else. Some things are more healthier than others, some not so but that's why it's great to be unique and have varying differences between everyone.

[Kyzarius]

bleh, pot being illegal is a side-effect of political noise and 99% of the advertised "facts" about its negative effects on a person are fabricated in pathetic attempts at scare tactics.

actually the ONLY thing about pot that can ruin anyones life is the fact that its been made illegal in the first place.

Pot is the only "drug" that was not introduced in a deadly epidemic fashion into society. You wanna rant, rave, and not condone drugs and their negative effects then stick to the true evil things like meth, crack, cocaine and alchohol or perhaps prescribed psychiatric medications, heck...from experience i have found that the last does more damage than any of the others because people abuse them under the ruse of medical help.

[Pali]

...apparently editing my post was pointless... Deptore and Kyzarius already brought up all the points I originally had. ^_~

[Tantangel]

Pot is the only "drug" that was not introduced in a deadly epidemic fashion into society. You wanna rant' date=' rave, and not condone drugs and their negative effects then stick to the true evil things like meth, crack, cocaine and alchohol or perhaps prescribed psychiatric medications, heck...from experience i have found that the last does more damage than any of the others because people abuse them under the ruse of medical help.[/quote']

I'm not just against Marijuana, rather all drugs are bad, some more so than others. Psychiatric meds or do you mean pain relievers as well? I know that there are people who are hooked on these things. Only reason why I even take Norco for the time being is that I just had back surgery 3 weeks ago and I popped Ibuprofen for over a year before that to ease the pain. I've seen more things ruined from meth/crack and such far more than anything else. Why? Well, my 'dad' used pretty much every kind of drug out there. My aunt is/was doing the same thing. Everyone in the neighborhood my grandma lives in uses some form of drug and are either losing their families, their jobs, their houses or all three with various other things.

I'd be all for legalizing marijuana to an extent. I personally would never ever use it because I see no real reason to use it. Hell, I don't even want to drink anymore after my last drunken episode. People who abuse prescription drugs just to get a 'high' because it feels good should be shot because it can hurt those who truly are in need of those because doctors wouldn't be as willing to give a prescription out because worrying about such things. I suppose it depends on how bad your habit is too. Do you have to smoke a bowl or six every day? That's fairly excessive as I have friends who do that and found out one of them has been lacing it with a bit of ex. To be honest about the only time I would think anyone should ever really use it is if they're cancer patients who absolutely need it. Just to have that high though, I honestly don't ever see the point of it. Maybe it's your thing, but it's definitely not mine. So lets leave it at that, I know the real facts, I'm still against it though. Gateway drug? Maybe for some people, but I don't think for all. Just those willing to subject themselves to various other kinds of punishments to their body.

[Mudder]

Pot is illegal. It is going to stay illegal. It is very unhealthy and bad for you. The same with every drug. Also, the same with every drug, if taken in small amounts (moderation) it really isn't that big of a deal. Ever talked to a pot-head living in their moms basement? Ever spoke to an alcoholic living in shambles? They're both equally crappy.

But i'd rather drink a beer than toke up any day. There. I settled it.

About sleeping. It's already been stated. Sleep in regular patterns. Your not tired one night? Don't go to sleep. Stay up that night. If you do go to sleep, set your alarm and wake up at 10:00 am. Don't sleep in. That next night, you'll be able to sleep. Going to bed at like 5am and waking up at 4pm will just make you feel worse. You can't catch up sleep like that. Seriously. You'll just be tired and it'll ruin your day. Your definitely better off just getting a little less sleep for that day, then you'll be able to sleep better the next night because you wouldn't have just woke up 4 hours ago.

Try to get to the point where your going to sleep around 10:30pm. No later than 12:00am.

Don't drink coke. Its horrible for you. Drink water, lots of water. Buy spring water from the store, not tap water. Not distilled water. Not "Drinking water" (It's just tap water in a jug). Spring water.

I don't know about you guys but eating always makes me tired. And do not MUD one hour before bed. Do something relaxing, like watching family guy. Whatever you do to relax (Not mudding or gaming, or anything that's exciting) do it for that hour.

Music? Stick to the calming stuff. Mellow music that makes you calm. Not any of that really crappy emo I hate my life stuff, just mellow... Like Dave Matthews or something.

Stay away from drugs. Just don't get stuck in that loop. It's not worth it.

If the above fails, hit self in head with large rock until you wake up the next morning... In the hospital.

[elfdude]

How the **** is pot "very unhealthy and bad for you"?

[Pali]

I don't have to smoke every day any more than I have to play video games every day. I simply like to. Cigarettes I freely admit a physical addiction to... I could not go cold turkey on them. Pot, however, I regularly go days or longer without, and have no problems doing so despite smoking daily when I can afford to.

[Deptore]

1) Nobody has ever died from smoking pot.

2) Marijuana users report less depression

3) Marijuana does not cause emphysema, unlike tobacco.

4) Marijuana does not cause cancer (and if you smoke it you are actually slightly less likely to get cancer)

5) THC actually helps cleanse the lungs, preventing tumors

6) Daily marijuana use doesn't damage your brain.

7) There has never been a study to link marijuana with psychological problems, though it's not for a lack of trying.

8 ) Marijuana is NOT a gateway drug.

9) Marijuana fights hardened arteries

10) Marijuana has both stalled the growth of and eliminated brain tumors in rats. Such an experiment has yet to be done on humans.

11) Not that herd mentality is a good reason, but you're not alone. Marijuana is the US's number one crop. Clearly this isn't just social deviants.

12) Sex gets a whole lot better

13) 15 million people smoke it a month (US only).

14) Marijuana can prevent blindness.

15) Marijuana can prevent migraines.

16) Marijuana is less addictive than caffeine. There is no physical addiction but a slight mental addiction can develop.

17) In 1977 the DEA wanted to decriminalize marijuana. When the government, which has tried for so long to prove that marijuana is harmful, admits that it really isn't, shouldn't that tell you something?

18) Haven't you always wanted to be able to laugh at Pauly Shore?

19) Because legality isn't a good enough reason for you to not smoke. Slavery was once legal and sodomy was once illegal; legality is a horrid barometer for morality.

20) Because getting "high" isn't "bad." Though you may not realize it, eating meat or candy or fried foods or vegetables or drinking coffee, tea, or soda all effect your mental state. All of these things can make you "high."

21) Because we don't yet know all of the benefits of marijuana; the government has tried for years to prove that it is harmful and has consistently failed. Very few studies have explored its benefits.

22) Because you would be in the company of Louis Armstrong, the Beatles, Bob Denver, Bill Clinton, George Bush (okay, never mind him), famous scientist Carl Sagan, Michael Bloomberg, Lewis Caroll, George Washington Carver, Salvador Dali, Al Gore, Steve Jobs, John Kennedy, John Wayne, and George Washington.

23) Because it feels good and it doesn't hurt anyone.

24) Marijuna, after studies and tests were done was discovered to make others drive better than normal.

So how can you say you'd rather drink Alcohol?

[kahlos]

I only have problems sleeping when I play FL too much... Or going through a trial (problem). You can't sleep coz you've got way too many things on your mind.

Take a long holiday away from everything..

I also find it easier to sleep when it's cold.

Or to have 2 pillows under your head.

Or drink a pill (panadol, sleeping pill, etc)

[elfdude]

are you a lawyer kahlos or just in the system alot? haha

[corpsestomp]

Trial as in trials and tribulations, not as in a court trial.

[HBwillie]

1) Nobody has ever died from smoking pot.

2) Marijuana users report less depression

3) Marijuana does not cause emphysema, unlike tobacco.

4) Marijuana does not cause cancer (and if you smoke it you are actually slightly less likely to get cancer)

5) THC actually helps cleanse the lungs, preventing tumors

6) Daily marijuana use doesn't damage your brain.

7) There has never been a study to link marijuana with psychological problems, though it's not for a lack of trying.

8 ) Marijuana is NOT a gateway drug.

9) Marijuana fights hardened arteries

10) Marijuana has both stalled the growth of and eliminated brain tumors in rats. Such an experiment has yet to be done on humans.

11) Not that herd mentality is a good reason, but you're not alone. Marijuana is the US's number one crop. Clearly this isn't just social deviants.

12) Sex gets a whole lot better

13) 15 million people smoke it a month (US only).

14) Marijuana can prevent blindness.

15) Marijuana can prevent migraines.

16) Marijuana is less addictive than caffeine. There is no physical addiction but a slight mental addiction can develop.

17) In 1977 the DEA wanted to decriminalize marijuana. When the government, which has tried for so long to prove that marijuana is harmful, admits that it really isn't, shouldn't that tell you something?

18) Haven't you always wanted to be able to laugh at Pauly Shore?

19) Because legality isn't a good enough reason for you to not smoke. Slavery was once legal and sodomy was once illegal; legality is a horrid barometer for morality.

20) Because getting "high" isn't "bad." Though you may not realize it, eating meat or candy or fried foods or vegetables or drinking coffee, tea, or soda all effect your mental state. All of these things can make you "high."

21) Because we don't yet know all of the benefits of marijuana; the government has tried for years to prove that it is harmful and has consistently failed. Very few studies have explored its benefits.

22) Because you would be in the company of Louis Armstrong, the Beatles, Bob Denver, Bill Clinton, George Bush (okay, never mind him), famous scientist Carl Sagan, Michael Bloomberg, Lewis Caroll, George Washington Carver, Salvador Dali, Al Gore, Steve Jobs, John Kennedy, John Wayne, and George Washington.

23) Because it feels good and it doesn't hurt anyone.

24) Marijuna, after studies and tests were done was discovered to make others drive better than normal.

So how can you say you'd rather drink Alcohol?

This coming from the guy who can't even spell MARIJUANA. I'd rather drink because it's legal and I like the feeling better.

[Marc]

In small amounts, alcohol is good for you. It acts as an antioxidant.

[Tantangel]

Sorry, Deptore, but that's not all true. Just like alcohol, marijuana affects everyone differently. Take myself and my moms boyfriend for example. Lets take it more from the point of view of me being my age and when he was my age. He would drink and get totally smashed and then become a complete *** more so than what he already was at the time. I on the other hand could drink just as much and be the nicest person in the world. My attitude now is pretty much the exact attitude he had then. So similar personality but completely different outcomes when drunk.

One of my friends who smokes pot is one of the nicest people in the world. He goes and smokes then comes back and goes driving and has the worse anxiety ever because he thinks a cop will pull him over. My best friends sister on the trip I took to Nevada was toking up the entire way and she wasn't even driving and had a lot of anxiety because of how fast we were going. I've known/know quite a few people who smoke and every one of them have had higher than normal anxiety after smoking than before. Granted these people only had this anxiety when outside the comfort of their own home.

There have been all kinds of studies to prove that Marijuana is good for you just as much as there have been ones to try and prove that it's bad for you. It isn't a known fact that it prevents blindness. Could it prevent blindness? There's a possibility, but there's a possibility that getting kicked in the nuts could cause blindness. Now I can see how it would prevent migraines as it has been proven to ease pain and nausea from cancer patients who go through chemotherapy. And it possibly may be that no one has died by smoking pot, but there as been accidents where people who smoked pot ended up getting into a wreck and either severely hurt someone in the other vehicle or killed them.

I happen to like Pauly Shore and his movies. And I'm not high when I watch them. Bio Dome was one of my favorite movies with him in it. Most of our political leaders that are better known tried marijuana at one point or another when they were younger. Mostly because they grew up during the 60's/70's. That probably wont happen 10 years from now because by then the people running will have been born in the 70's to late 60's. I've seen people drive drunk and the same people drive high, and in both cases I would never drive with them again in either case. They're slower reacting in both cases and don't pay attention to detail like they did when sober.

The reason why depression is lower in people smoking pot is because it tends to dull the senses so to speak. You no longer care about those problems that were depressing as before. They seem more funny than before to some people, others forget about them entirely. Thing is, those very things that made you depressed before are going to be there when they come out of the high. It's basically easier to deal with the problems right then and there than to push it off. It also eases stress in a lot of people. Does that mean that every manager/company owner should go out and smoke when something bad happens?

I honestly see no real benefit to smoking it. It probably just depends on the person and how they grew up. If you smoke it, continue to do so if you want to. Doesn't mean you should preach it though to others to try and smoke it. I see it the same way as I see religion. If you're a part of something, don't push it on others unless they really want to become a part of it. If they don't, then leave it be. Obviously people who smoke it aren't going to stop unless they have a bad experience with it in some form or another and the people who don't smoke it probably wont ever smoke it. So lets agree to disagree about smoking/not smoking and the same about drinking/not drinking.

[Dobson]

It's real simple, and I will spell it out for you. ANY BRAIN ALTERING DRUG IS BAD FOR YOU. IT DIMINISHES YOUR REASONING CAPACITY AND PREVENTS YOU FROM THINKING CLEARLY OR WITH SOUND JUDGEMENT. PEOPLE DIE EVERY DAY BECAUSE OF MARAJUANA, NOT BECAUSE IT IS BAD FOR THE BODY, BUT BAD FOR YOUR BRAIN!

I DON'T JUST MEAN MARAJUANA BUT EXCESSIVE ALCOHOL TOO!

If you want to be an idiot and smoke pot despite it being against the law, go for it. But when you get caught with more than 1/2 an ounce and can never get a job because of a felony conviction, don't cry to me. When you or your friend is driving and you die because your reaction times was diminshed, don't blame me. Only people who are mature enough to know the dangers are capable of handling the side affects (good and bad).

Can prevent blindness, that is the dumbest thing I have heard anyone say in a long time. Prevent cancer? I can show you an article that says dog poo prevents this cancer and that, is it actually true? Heck no. Live in your dream, just don't get anyone else killed.

The Mods need to take this **** off the Forums, it does NOT belong here.

[Tantangel]

How about lets get back on topic rather than stay on the topic of who smokes what and who can drink how much?

Something that worked for me other than sleeping pills/completely running out of energy was getting in a little more activity. Granted my job is very physical, sometimes doing more will help some. Never exercise within two hours or so of going to bed because you'll end up staying awake because your body is still going to be active.

[HBwillie]

Ok, but one more thing. I've also heard that drinking 1 beer a day is in fact, good for you. Couldn't tell you why, but that's what I've heard.