MeleeCrazy Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 So Dale and I have been debating over this topic for some time, with him clearly backing The Man of Steel and me on the side of The Incredible Hulk. I Love having these little geeky arguments especially in this day and age when info is so readily available to sway one's opinion one way or the other. Personally I think Hulk would squeeze Superman like a tube of toothpaste till his head rocketed off, but that's just me. So I'm bringing the debate to you the FL family, to further the discussion. Any thoughts? BTW I'm more than knowledgeable about both characters, and will correct you if your wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 Hulk smash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inscribed Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 It's not even a comparison. the Hulk is immortal and can theoretically increase to infinite mass and strength. Superman gets his limited strength from the Sun, and he's died before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Voodoo Doll Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 It's not even a comparison. the Hulk is immortal and can theoretically increase to infinite mass and strength. Superman gets his limited strength from the Sun' date=' and he's died before.[/quote'] Hulk is Hulk here and on the other side of the universe. Superman is a normal dude without the yellow sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 I'm very curious to where you guys get your flawed information. Hulk cannot increase his size, atleast not limitlessly. He is also not immortal. In the only three comics they have fought superman has won with no comparison, he beasts hulk so bad even I can't completely agree with them. However, I still think superman would win, btw he doesn't need a yellow sun for power, he has fought all across the universe in galaxies without suns. It is true the red sun will depower him, but he has even been known to fight off the effects of that. While is true that hulk gets stronger the madder he gets, but how mad would he have to get to be as strong as superman? And would it do any good seeing as superman can react faster than hulk can? I just think he would kill hulk the same way he killed shazam in the injustice game, heat vision through the brain. Of course it would have to be a more evil superman to pull off a feat like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spark215 Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Dr. Manhattan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeleeCrazy Posted August 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 Hulks skin is near inpenitrable and has been able to withstand temps close that of the sun. and can take a nuke and not miss a beat. His regenerative capabilies are on par if not greater than wolverine and deadpool. His body absorbsradiation which also augments all his abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Voodoo Doll Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 The Hulk is similar to Doomsday in that his cells just get better at adapting to whatever is afflicting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeleeCrazy Posted August 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 The Hulk is similar to Doomsday in that his cells just get better at adapting to whatever is afflicting them. True he has even been able to grow tissues to breath underwater and survive in space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cephirus Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 The Hulk is similar to Doomsday in that his cells just get better at adapting to whatever is afflicting them. Hulk is not Doomsday. Doomsday's power relies on him being killed by something that has not killed him before, then he will rise after a period of time and be pretty much immune to whatever killed him before. Superman does need the Yellow sun to repower him. While he has gone long periods of time being away from one and still been as powerful, there is a limit. This is excellently demonstrated in the short series where Superman fights the Aliens, and nearly has a Queen Alien burst through his chest. I personally believe Superman wins in a fight against the Hulk because one way or another, Superman will find out that the Hulk is driven by emotion, if he is no longer angry, fight is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 When you're making **** up, anything makes sense. I'd say a sufficiently powerful Force user would take them all, but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spark215 Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 Not Dr. Manhattan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inscribed Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 Hulks skin is near inpenitrable and has been able to withstand temps close that of the sun. and can take a nuke and not miss a beat. His regenerative capabilies are on par if not greater than wolverine and deadpool. His body absorbsradiation which also augments all his abilities. Wolverine and Deadpool don't come close to Hulk. Hulk has regenerated himself from complete disintegration... his DNA can't be destroyed. I personally believe Superman wins in a fight against the Hulk because one way or another' date=' Superman will find out that the Hulk is driven by emotion, if he is no longer angry, fight is over.[/quote'] Hulk isn't driven purely by emotion. His body increases in strength and mass as his body becomes stressed... he infinitely generates energy and mass at a subatomic level. I can't believe this is even a comparison. Hulk is on world-destroyer levels. Superman isn't. Hulk has destroyed asteroids the size of Earth with a punch. He can leap into lower orbit or across continents, he has even been shown to have superhuman speed. He took out pretty much every single other Marvel character on Earth in World War Hulk. His battle with Red She-Hulk disintegrated an entire planet, destroying with it several other characters, including one on Silver Surfer's power level. He has even been shown to be able to break people on the astral plane, meaning at least part of his power is magical/psychic in nature. He can't be killed (even in the arcs where someone "kills" him, he is shown to have just been temporarily stopped); at best he can only be temporarily sealed away or slowed down. Superman can't compare. While he might have some impressive feats, he has limits. Hulk's power, per canon, is infinite. When you're making **** up, anything makes sense. I'd say a sufficiently powerful Force user would take them all, but... Sure, writer's can make up whatever they want, but we can also look at established canon for a baseline of what each character's powers are. We might get to see that mashup now that Disney owns both IPs, but I don't think you'd like the outcome. Granted, I'm not a big Star Wars fan, but I don't see anything from that universe being able to handle World Breaker Hulk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeleeCrazy Posted August 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 I said on par if not greater. Dead pool has reattached his head that's pretty inpressive, not quit hulk but you get the idea. Sure maestro came back from complete disintegration. but i don't know of hulk doing it other than that one version. not arguing with you though after all your on my side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeleeCrazy Posted August 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 When you're making **** up, anything makes sense. I'd say a sufficiently powerful Force user would take them all, but... some things aren't meant to be compared. That being said hulk and superman both would destroy even the strongest jedi/sith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 Sure' date=' writer's can make up whatever they want, but we can also look at established canon for a baseline of what each character's powers are.[/quote'] True. I just wanted to see what reactions I'd get. We might get to see that mashup now that Disney owns both IPs, but I don't think you'd like the outcome. Granted, I'm not a big Star Wars fan, but I don't see anything from that universe being able to handle World Breaker Hulk. When you get into the books, things get messy... I deliberately left my statement rather open-ended, as I'm not sure that any individual character described could - maybe Abeloth, considering she's an incorporeal Force entity that can't be killed except by a special knife. However, the list of abilities attainable through the Force is pretty much infinite... the Emperor, for instance, could only ultimately be destroyed by another Force user's sacrifice of themselves, so no matter how many times a non-Force user like Hulk or Superman killed him, he'd be able to take another body and come back. The question of how they'd deal with mental or life-based Force attacks rather than physical ones is also an interesting, if unanswerable, one. MOST Force users, however, would have no chance, totally agreed there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Volgathras Posted August 23, 2013 Implementor Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 Holy crap, it's like living the worst parts of a Big Bang Theory episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 Holy crap' date=' it's like living the worst parts of a [i']Big Bang Theory episode. Hahahah I was about to come in and school you all on several arguments. But Volg preemptively pwned me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cephirus Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 Hulk isn't driven purely by emotion. His body increases in strength and mass as his body becomes stressed... By being emotionally driven, I mean that it is essentially his mental reaction to what is going on around him as well as what is happening to him. If he is "calmed" he will no longer be angry, and revert from being the Hulk back to Bruce Banner. I have not read many of the Hulk comics, so I do not know if this has been covered, but what would happen if you shot Bruce Banner in the head? Would he die and Hulk with him? This is assuming he does not see it coming, therefore no Hulk-like reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 He was once also exhausted of all his rage by Spectre and reverted back to Bruce Banner, making evident that his anger is not infinite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inscribed Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 By being emotionally driven' date=' I mean that it is essentially his mental reaction to what is going on around him as well as what is happening to him. If he is "calmed" he will no longer be angry, and revert from being the Hulk back to Bruce Banner. I have not read many of the Hulk comics, so I do not know if this has been covered, but what would happen if you shot Bruce Banner in the head? Would he die and Hulk with him? This is assuming he does not see it coming, therefore no Hulk-like reaction.[/quote'] Emotion/stress is just the trigger for Hulk to come out. Once out, depending on what manifestation takes over, he can maintain control indefinitely if he wants (the Grey Hulk, for instance, maintains the complete intellectual control of Banner while still having Hulk strength, just not as much as other manifestations). If you shot Bruce Banner in the head, the Hulk would spit the bullet out (as mentioned even in the recent Avengers movie). You might also want to check out Hulk: The End. I won't leave any spoilers here (you can read the wiki if you want), but basically, Banner needs Hulk more than Hulk needs Banner. He was once also exhausted of all his rage by Spectre and reverted back to Bruce Banner' date=' making evident that his anger is not infinite.[/quote'] Dude, Spectre is a god in every sense of the word. He is one of if not THE single most powerful character in the entire DC universe. Of course he could drain Hulk. Spectre could look at the Hulk wrong and turn him into a rabbit. Spectre can change reality and time with mere thoughts. Is that seriously your argument? Again, we are talking about planet/galaxy power level characters. Superman is not one of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inscribed Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 Holy crap' date=' it's like living the worst parts of a [i']Big Bang Theory episode. It's funny because if I posted about MUDs on a comic book forum, I'd get the same response. Also, all of Big Bang Theory is pretty terrible, except for that blonde chick's cleavage. There, I said it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Volgathras Posted August 24, 2013 Implementor Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 Also, all of Big Bang Theory is pretty terrible, except for that blonde chick's cleavage. There, I said it. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 I'm sorry Inscribed, I was horribly mistaken. Sentry is the one who exhausted Hulk of his rage and cause him to revert. And Spectre is only maybe in the top ten of powerful characters in DC, he's only God's sprit of vengeance.:eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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