Valforian Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 I was just wondering while looking at who lists for the past few weeks and noticed I have yet to remember seeing one minotaur... I was wondering if they are gimped or a reason as to which no one plays them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acerbity Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 Large *** exp penalty. Hardly anyone wants to go through the hassle of ranking for more than half of their character's life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 yet there seems to be little shortage of elf paladins... So your theory doesn't really hold up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 Are you kidding ? There are 2 to 3 elven paladins. Hum, perhaps i should roll one. Most of them go human. And no Minotaurs are not gimped, quite the oposite. They are quite bonused, its just that they can only be 2 classes, and neutrals. So most people just go evil ogre berserker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deykari Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 Haven't seen an Ogre Zerk in a long time. Minotaurs make very good Zerks. There have been a few pinned minotaurs about dotted about over the recent, Statham, Caloth? The sudden influx of Paladins in my opinion, could be due to Behren's unveiling of the soon-to-come changes to Paladins/Dark-Knights, so people are wanting to roll a character ready for when they come. Dey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattamue Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 The mino zerk is hard because you don't get the evil/good vs good/evil mob exp bonus that you get with elf paladin or drow dkn. You pay for that with prot good/evil though, so.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiere Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 I had/have a mino zerk, and the killer thing wouldn't be ranking, I'd say, but pk range. No deaths until like 43 or so, then two in the space of an hour, both from 50's. That's what sucks. Those last ranks are killer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iyorvin Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 Mino zerk is one of the worst things to rank. Highest neutral exp pen, hardest to pin because you get no bonus exp from align mobs, AND when picking your perk adven looks nice but there are others that are needed. Then when you get your zerk, you look over FL's history and you can't remember a single zerk who stood out for a long period of time. Kentry was modified by immortals, so although he was good, he can't be compared to regular zerks. Srunc was the best I've seen/fought against in all the time I've been here, and he didn't last THAT long to be a huge influencing character. Reminds me of that log with all oblits/disints of Aciati vs Srunc though. Good times. Back to the point though, warrior minotaur isn't as good as another neutral pick, and the zerks themselves have never really impressed anyone. I would love to see minotaurs opened to evil align as well, then we would deffinatly see more of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deykari Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 Zerk has to be the most fun class I've played ever at pinn, and I'd love to roll another (not Undead this time ). I'd love to see more about, or see one really rock the dancefloor. Minotaur just doesn't appeal to me though, even though they can be good zerks. Dey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Designated_Driver Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 Mino zerk is one of the worst things to rank. Highest neutral exp pen' date=' hardest to pin because you get no bonus exp from align mobs, AND when picking your perk adven looks nice but there are others that are needed. Then when you get your zerk, you look over FL's history and you can't remember a single zerk who stood out for a long period of time. Kentry was modified by immortals, so although he was good, he can't be compared to regular zerks. Srunc was the best I've seen/fought against in all the time I've been here, and he didn't last THAT long to be a huge influencing character. Reminds me of that log with all oblits/disints of Aciati vs Srunc though. Good times. Back to the point though, warrior minotaur isn't as good as another neutral pick, and the zerks themselves have never really impressed anyone. I would love to see minotaurs opened to evil align as well, then we would deffinatly see more of them.[/quote'] Gylrad definently stands out in my mind. So does Bazin. So does Tien. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirax Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 Have to agree with Iyorvin, make them evil also and thus make them more appealing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crackwilly21 Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 Yes, Evil Minotaurs!!! Yessssss!!! Please!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiere Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 Heck yeah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Brother Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 I applied for one awhile ago, had an awesome desc that I got a dragon for, but no reply so I gave up on rank sitting at rank 4 after a few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 /------------------------------\ |.. Vote No For Evil Minotaurs....| \------------------------------/ ..................|| ..................|| ..................|| ..................|| .................. I would say no, they are to powerfull for being evil ones. And they are beasts, neither evil nor good. You just want them to be evil for PK power/join uber cabal . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtsoShex Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 I agree with Mya on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malchaeius Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 Then when you get your zerk' date=' you look over FL's history and you can't remember a single zerk who stood out for a long period of time. Kentry was modified by immortals, so although he was good, he can't be compared to regular zerks. [/quote'] A quick note. Kentry was GIMPED by the immortals by his modification. His pk record was worse after being modified for an RP plot. There were some great zerks. Crypticant's zerk. Behren's human and his ogre zerk. Kalug's zerk. Gylrad. I think the problem is the players of zerks and not the class itself. Although I agree that perhaps it is harder to play a sucessful zerk post 1.0. As to evil minotaur zerks, I like the sound of the RP. Game mechanics wise, I am not sure. I will leave that one up to Behrens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iyorvin Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 Evil mino's being more powerful? If anything an evil is less powerful then a neutral. At any rate, minotaurs are really naturally evil, or at least in stories you always see them aiding the evil side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iyorvin Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 Malch he was gimped AFTER he was buffed. He admitted himself it wasn't his fault the imms gave him uber godly skills. And to Kentry, as I know he is still here, I am not knocking on your skills bro, you know you have them, but I'm saying he can't be considered because well, frankly two ages ago things were alot different. Now there are new classes, items, paths, that all change the way zerks have to interact. Peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajwetton Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 It depends on what fantasy series your reading. I've read Dragonlance books where there were good Minotaurs, as well as in other books that was just the first series that came to mind. But there are good as well as evil and neutral Minotaurs. I think if you want an evil Minotaur then roll a neutral and apply if its worthy i'm sure they'd approve, after all we've had a neutral cleric in past and other such re-aligns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrothum Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 MInotaurs being neutral keep them from owning too hard. Evil minotaur zerk reaver favorite weapon axe....DIZZAMN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirax Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 Rp wise makes more sense them being evil. Would be good if they even had whole spectrum of alignments, ogres do and ogres are stronger and more agile aswell as having greater intelligence, fair enough they have magic vul which can be hard, but they get hugh con and healing and every now and then they ignore the pain plus way less exp pen. Would giving them choice of other classes make stone, storm, fire giants redundant? I would like to think not, but not sure. Theres an RP plot for you Malc, make every player have to control a minotaur, lob them on a remote island, stick half on one side, half on another and let them all batter crap out of each other. Call it something original like the minotaur wars and there you go, you can then write up a history how they had bloody battles, blah blah blah and lo and behold minotaurs now can choose any path. Its genius :eek: PS anyone ever see the ancient film Sinbad and the eye of the tiger (think thats its name) see the metal minotaur in that, thats some scary dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talcian Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 Those Dragonlance books are awesome. By far my favorite. Dragons of the Summer Flame had an excellent ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teralis Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 PS anyone ever see the ancient film Sinbad and the eye of the tiger (think thats its name) see the metal minotaur in that, thats some scary dude. Yeah I loved that movie, only saw it once in the theater never found it again wow talk about an oldie but goodie, 15 to 18 years or so. I remember sitting there thinking wow look at the special affects lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirax Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 Yeah I loved that movie' date=' only saw it once in the theater never found it again wow talk about an oldie but goodie, 15 to 18 years or so. I remember sitting there thinking wow look at the special affects lol.[/quote'] Damn good film, the other one Sinbad and the seven voyages or something like that was one of my favorite as a kid, when i saw it again as an adult the cyclops wasnt quite so scary, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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