kamikazi Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 We are talking about all race perks. The shed skill can be quite the advantage. Fighting a let's say invoker, you shed and with a murder you deliver a double round with a shot from the bow. That could well be around eight attacks + tail + arrows. Or you could bash considering your opponent and the way the battle is going. Seems quite deadly to me. Also it has no lag, which is awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamikazi Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 We are talking about all race perks. The shed skill can be quite the advantage. Fighting a let's say invoker, you shed and with a murder you deliver a double round with a shot from the bow. That could well be around eight attacks + tail + arrows. Or you could bash considering your opponent and the way the battle is going. Seems quite deadly to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 You can't really count on a being able to shoot arrows at a invoker or bashing him.The firestorm if on will give you away. While an interesting tactic it will not surprise a veteran player past the first use. This is why you always review the log. To pick up stuff like this. Next time you fight this player he will flee 2 rounds after you dirt kick, move 1 or two rooms and set up a new Firestorm. REgarding 2 handed weapons. I'm all for small creatures having to wield 1h swords in 2 hands. And daggers counting as shortswords.I guess we don't have this because it's just creates a lot of work and disrupts balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamikazi Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 REgarding 2 handed weapons. I'm all for small creatures having to wield 1h swords in 2 hands. And daggers counting as shortswords.I guess we don't have this because it's just creates a lot of work and disrupts balance. How does a giant hold a small thing like the fiery dagger then? Fights with it like with a toothpick? What would your logic make the dagger for a giant? A finger weapon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Trying to justify game balance with realism ain't a good idea The only real advantage huge races have over small races is the ability to hold two handed weapons in one hand. Other than that, small races will be a much better choice, especially now after the bash change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamikazi Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 There has been a bash change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_body Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 nope. nope. Don't worry about it. There was a total change to how lag works. 30, 60, 70 round lag locks will no longer occur. On average you can expect no more than 4 consecutive lag attempts to succeed. After the 4th, the fail rate increases significantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Voodoo Doll Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 This is why Celerity's proposed changes to Ogres from years ago should once again be brought to the front. Most people don't like to getting pwned but if you're a normal or small sized warrior going against an Ogre that is exactly what is going to happen 9 times out of 10. No Behrens arguements are allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamikazi Posted March 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 I agree. I'm at pinn for about a day and I already got steam rolled by an ogre and bash locked by a demon dkn, who outmeleed my slith warrior, haha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 A whole day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Voodoo Doll Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 I agree. I'm at pinn for about a day and I already got steam rolled by an ogre and bash locked by a demon dkn, who outmeleed my slith warrior, haha! Did you log them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamikazi Posted March 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Nah...But from what I can tell you, the ogre defended better, hit harder and had a lot more hp than me. Same with the demon, maybe except for the hp part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamikazi Posted March 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 I wanted to experiment to see how weaker a slith is than the giant races, and I believe I see that it is ALOT weaker already. Maybe I shouldn't waste my time and end the experiment and roll one of those conveir ogres, haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_body Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 What weapons were you using vs what weapons was the Ogre using? How was your -ac vs their -ac (if you had to guess) vs your hr/dr vs their hr/dr? warriors are all about eq. Have great eq = beastDon't have great eq = wet kitten (grumpy but harmless) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Anume Posted March 3, 2014 Implementor Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Your main problem is that you make mistakes and do not realize this even if your enemy who just killed you points them out to you. Log your fights, analyze your mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamikazi Posted March 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Your main problem is that you make mistakes and do not realize this even if your enemy who just killed you points them out to you. Log your fights, analyze your mistakes. I was expecting that comment and as I said, I had protection and flight. They dropped right before he started to bash lock me. I do learn from my mistakes and what I've learned is that I shouidn't fight anyone until I am decked as all the "bad guys" are. Meaning...no eq=death. My mistakes were not that great...his eq killed me. Say what you like, that is the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamikazi Posted March 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 You cannot expect a warrior wearing crap to defeat a demon dkn with a warlock wearing decent armor( from decend I mean good rings, adeptuses and stuff) bearing in mind the warrior is normal sized and the demon is a titan. Also he outmeleed me...Mistakes got nothing to do with this. A dkn outmeeling a warrior with four defensives and fighing masteries is just wrong. Also I do not remember my demon dkn being able to lag for so many rounds with a bash. My opponents always fled after a round...max two rounds. And this guy was able to bash me, fireball me and bash me again while I was still lagged from his first bash. And no...his pet did not bash, or trip trough that period I mentioned. Solely five rounds of lag from a single bash. Nothing I could've done the eniter fight...no point in bringing up mistakes and crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamikazi Posted March 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Also, slith warrior defends for crap. I find it hard to even think about how an ogre, or a giant would defend better than the smaller, more agile lizard, but they do...each and every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 ...and the demon is a titan.Just so you know, demons are not titan size. They are the same size as giants, ogres and minotaurs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamikazi Posted March 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 I am not whining or anything, since I decided to play a gimped combo, but you really need to have a look at things, cause smaller sized warriors are pointless as they are at the moment. Better remove the option at creation at all, heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamikazi Posted March 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Just so you know, demons are not titan size. They are the same size as giants, ogres and minotaurs Just so you know, demons can be different sizes. Don't lecture me on something you havent played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Implementor Anume Posted March 3, 2014 Implementor Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 lol. I've killed decked people in cabal eq before. You just need really good weapons and sound tactic.I've also played a slight warrior, so I know how they work. Maybe I'll do it again some time. You just have to dress them differently than you would an ogre (no vuln -> less saves, more hr dr / ac / hp).Also, it's been said before, but we did introduce blademasters solely for high dex races. Giants can't play them at all.Not every race is mean to be great as every class, take gnome warriors or drow / elf warriors. Slith ain't that bad, but surely is not the ideal choice if you are not quite good with warriors already. And with the log and learn comment, I did not mean your last fight but your fights in general. Remember we did give you a ton of advise before you had your last break and you chose to completely ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamikazi Posted March 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 As it seems I suck at PK with anything I play, but the fact that normal sized warriors are gimped and need a change still remains, heh. I ain't no expert on nothing...just pointing out my point of view. At least think about the ability to hold two handed weapons in one hand for normal sized warriors. That would reduce their gimp quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamikazi Posted March 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Just so you know, same ogre beat me up even without using sanctuary. I won't be experimenting again anytime soon, hah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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