Agility vs. Brute force

[Anume]

I don't think you'll do much better as an ogre warrior, but you can give it a try.

[Dead Voodoo Doll]

lulz

[kamikazi]

I don't think you'll do much better as an ogre warrior, but you can give it a try.

 

First time I see an immortal telling a player how badly they suck. Maybe I deserve it, but it's not nice, you know?

[Anume]

In other words, as you did not understand: your problems with your slith warrior derive from not understanding how the class works. The race did not play such a big role.

[kamikazi]

I am open to advice, but your post was...Nevermind. I'll work things out myself.  I'm not an english expert, but it's obvious you meant that as an insult, or a joke maybe. I will stop posting now, cause I gave a promise which I am not going to break.

[Ayroduth]

PMed you to give you warrior advice. Take it or leave it buddy.

[Anume]

Kamikazi, my post is the result of our advise getting continually ignored by you. We did give you a lot. Why are you asking if you do not wish to hear any of it?
Was the exact same problem with your dk before your break. You make glaring mistakes in pk and when someone points them out you don't want to listen to advise. If you have a problem with taking advise from others, log the fights and go over them and find out yourself, I think you could really profit from that.

And I agree this has been discussed in enough breath on General now, so if you wish to continue, prayer forum.

[f0xx]

Every time I try giving him advice, he tells me that I suck and everyone PWNs me

[kamikazi]

Every time I try giving him advice, he tells me that I suck and everyone PWNs me

 

I smply dislike your fighting tactics, which include running away on the other end of the world if your enemy lands a dirt kick on you. Never said everyone PWNs you...I simply don't want to fight the way you do.

[f0xx]

I smply dislike your fighting tactics, which include running away on the other end of the world if your enemy lands a dirt kick on you.

Yep, hopeless...

[kamikazi]

Yep, hopeless...

 

But true

[P_body]

Seriously, Kamikazi. You don't want to flee when someone lands a dirt kick? Unless you have a specific, tactical, quantitative reason for staying in battle (regardless of whether or not you have blind fighting) you should ALWAYS flee when someone lands a dirt kick. 

 

"Why?" I hope you're asking.

 

PK 101:

 

Don't stay in a fight unless you are executing a particular command/timing strategy.

 

Don't stay in a fight if your opponent is doing something you haven't planned for.

 

 

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This means if you haven't planned for the dirt kick and it's part of your strategy, then you should FLEE. This is also applicable for any other skill/spell your char's opponent has in their arsenal. 

 

 

Now, 

 

It's true that PK 201 gets into improvisation and reacting to a not-well-known opponent, but  don't go there until you've mastered PK 101.

 

Also in PK 101 is don't fight classes you haven't played yourself. An alternative of that is: don't actively engage classes you haven't played yourself. 

 

 

The idea of PK 101 is learn to implement a PK strategy/tactical plan. You can do that best vs. combos you know. Once you've learned to implement a tactical plan, learn when you should retreat and re-group. Often a tactical plan can be sound, but requires multiple iterations to be in the right scenario where all the variables for success line up nicely. If the variables aren't lining up and you are still in combat, that means one of two things:

 

Most likely Option 1) You aren't following the tactical plan you came up with, which, at this stage of experience, means you probably aren't using a plan at all. 

 

Less Likely Option 2) You went into the fight with multiple tactical plans to accommodate a greater array of variables

 

 

Now everyone has their own play style, but the majority, if not all, of the elites would say that to become a real "PK beast" means not only winning fights, but consistently not LOSING fights. 61 pks and 61 pdeaths isn't a great record, know what I mean?

So learn when to flee.

 

Now, it's true that I'm not a great PKer, but I do alright. Currently I'm at the stage where I know when to flee. What I'm trying to learn is "When to stay." The idea that both my char and my char's opponent are equally matched and it will be a close fight, when should I press the pedal to the floor instead of tuck tail and run. It's a fine line with a lot of complexity I'm finding difficult to master, but those are the more advanced nuances of PK that turn you from decent to good to great. 

 

If you'll focus on just getting decent, the good and great will come later. Best advice I can give to get there is, "hang on every word that falls from the mouth of a staff member." The current staff knows what they're talking about. If they don't know, or aren't sure, or it's only their personal opinion and may not be entirely accurate, they will tell you so. Otherwise, accept it as factual truth. Even if they happen to be wrong (I mean behind the screen they ARE human..except Morlhach, he's Viri-bot's illegitimate son) you're still way ahead by listening to them.

 

 

/rant

[Celerity]

I smply dislike your fighting tactics, which include running away on the other end of the world if your enemy lands a dirt kick on you. Never said everyone PWNs you...I simply don't want to fight the way you do.

These 'tactics' make f0xx one of the top three PKers in FL. You win by not dying. The kill is inevitable in that situation.

[P_body]

Dang.

Now there is a compliment. Who do youthink comprise the top five?

[Celerity]

That is getting into dangerous territory there. More suited for a different thread at any rate.

[Erelei]

I've always wanted to try a slith shield warrior.

 

Mmnm.

 

And I'm curious as to who you'd pick too, Celerity. I'm also wondering if you'd put yourself in that top 5, just for shits and giggles.

[Demiterracotta]

Piece of Advice in an advice thread:

 

While Foxx's delivery sometimes leaves something to be desired in open forums, if you PM him, he will give you great tips on what to do without holding your hand. (Which is great because it leaves you to discover certain things your own way.) Insulting him or throwing his advice back in his face really does bring out his sarcasm, but he's a decent guy who does want a challenge no matter what you think. He knows what he's talking about. So if he does something you notice in PK and don't like, I would try my hardest to emulate him. If you end a fight with him in a draw you are doing something right and need to make sure you retain that lesson.

 

Now for my own advice, want to know the top 5 people who will kill me no matter what tactics I use if they really want to?

 

An Immortal

 

 

These are the people you CANNOT beat, slay command wins. Everyone else you can defeat, maybe not with the next ten characters, but eventually with enough desire. So don't make the Imms mad in game and you will eventually get there. Some of the people here have been playing for a LONG time and still don't have the knack for PK, we all do something different with how we play. I personally think it would be fun one day to get into a fight with one of Valek's characters, it would be somewhat akin to a wet noodle fight if his self-deprecation and forum reputation are anywhere near accurate.

 

Long story short, I know I'm terrible, but when these wonderful kernels of knowledge happen to drop into my lap, it gives me hope that one day I will manage to run away from one of the Vets fast enough to not die. Discretion is after all the better part of valor. 

[f0xx]

I'm just gonna say this and leave the thread as it is:

Due to the nature of my job, I've gotten used to dealing with problems of all sort. Problems that sometimes I don't understand nor know how to fix myself, and this often makes me have to work with other people with more experience than myself, who often tend to be narrow-minded. I don't know how to stress this enough, but if one wants to solve a problem, then there are certain steps one must take:

The first step to fixing a problem is acknowledging there is a problem.

The second step is defining the problem.

The third step is actually taking actions to fix the problem.

I don't know how to stress this enough, but the first step itself seems to be the hardest one, and the reasons for that are multiple - ego, fear, laziness...

Particularly speaking about FL: A lot of people have seen me argue with Valek that EQ is not the most important thing in PK. This case is the same. When you play multiple combos, and you get owned with each of them (especially your "dream combo"), then it's quite obvious there is a problem.

Some good people in this thread have tried giving you advice on how to approach your problem and try to solvе it in a long term manner, but you simply renounce, ignore and argue back. Those same people are getting fed up with your crap (I apologize for the word). I (and a lot of the staff I am sure) have seen logs of many of the situations you speak of. Multiple times, I've noticed personally, that what you present to me in your "stories" simply does not reflect the reality and how things go in your PKs. What I am trying to say is, that I've often went out of my way and used my OOC connections to get logs of your fights, simply because you don't log anything. And when I actually see the logs (which some of them I've obtained very hard) and come back to you with real advice, you tell me, "F*ck off man, I don't want your advice, you suck anyway."

This is not only very discouraging, but very offensive too. I've simply given up trying to give you advice. Every time you come to me to whine (because that's the only times you come to me), you tell me some incredible story on how well you played a PK yet you still got owned and that only happened because of things you have no control over (EQ disadvantage, smaller size, Nexus mask or whatever other excuse you can muster). I ask you for a log, you tell me you don't have one. What do you expect me to do then my friend, especially after catching you lying to me multiple times (intentional or not)? You know the story of the lying shepherd right?

I can't understand this. You want to play a dark knight, but you fail at it. When a guy who has played a dark knight with two full malforms and 0 deaths comes to you to give you advice, what do you do? You tell him that he sucks, and that his playstyle is wrong.

I can't help you, you don't let me to.

You get angry when you get owned. You get owned because you don't improve. You don't improve because you don't acknowledge the fact that you suck. You don't acknowledge the fact that you suck, because you blame the wrong factors i.e. EQ.

Let me tell you this. Even when you are in an obvious disadvantage never excuse your poor performance with lack of EQ. NEVER. This is detrimental for your PK skills. Always try to improve. Stay hungry. Think of yourself as a noob, and remember, when you lose a PK, the fault is ALWAYS in you. Even when it is not.

That is how you get better.

Acknowledge your problem - you suck. Even if you don't.

I'm out.

[kamikazi]

I know I suck at PK, but I cannot stand people mocking me and stuff. I haven't had much help from anyone my entire life, so I guess this is the kind of personality I have adopted. To be honest, you have never tried to help me in any way, f0xx. Each and everytime I've told you anything about the FL, you always take the side of others and we are supposed to be friends or something.  It has always been...you're lying...can't be...you're full of shit. I've had enough of your hypocracy and you can delete me from any friends list anywhere you might have me on, cause you are not my friend, but an opportunistic <edited>. Not going in anymore details, cause I will probably win myself another ban for being honest and speaking the truth in people's faces, but f0xx is not the kind of person you all seem to think he is. Peace out.

[Dead Voodoo Doll]

I know I suck at PK, but I cannot stand people mocking me and stuff. I haven't had much help from anyone my entire life, so I guess this is the kind of personality I have adopted. To be honest, you have never tried to help me in any way, f0xx. Each and everytime I've told you anything about the FL, you always take the side of others and we are supposed to be friends or something.  It has always been...you're lying...can't be...you're full of shit. I've had enough of your hypocracy and you can delete me from any friends list anywhere you might have me on, cause you are not my friend, but an opportunistic <edited>. Not going in anymore details, cause I will probably win myself another ban for being honest and speaking the truth in people's faces, but f0xx is not the kind of person you all seem to think he is. Peace out.

 

I've had conversations with f0xx in email and PM going back at least four years or so and I've always found him to be cordial and helpful. 

[kamikazi]

I've had conversations with f0xx in email and PM going back at least four years or so and I've always found him to be cordial and helpful. 

 

He is, but everyone of you guys...not his RL friends. It's kind of like he lives in the FL and his real friends are here. <edited, and you're out.>

[Trick]

Uhh... are we still talking about PK or...

[kamikazi]

We were. Indeed the thread has been really derailed, so please lock it, or let's keep it on topic.

[Celerity]

I've always wanted to try a slith shield warrior.

 

Mmnm.

 

And I'm curious as to who you'd pick too, Celerity. I'm also wondering if you'd put yourself in that top 5, just for shits and giggles.

I played a feral shield warrior to test shield changes...had little problem against melees (fought elder Grum as an uncaballed...many rounds of combat but strong advantage to feral)..but the output is too low for any decent finish. Furthermore, any powerful non-melee will give you loads of problems) Ultimately, not something I would rate very high on the fear list.

As for my PK list, I'd be happy to follow your example, Morlhach, if you share.

[Trick]

I played Hazkrul a fair bit back. Dwarf shield lore adjudicator. I was basically a walking tank. I could defend well enough, but I had vert little output. My wins came from cabal skills and staying on my opponents. Also, even when I went travelling around I still had to switch to a staff. I think it is a huuuuge problem that staff is more offensive AND defensive than a shield.

Shield is not for small races as you lose a lot in weaponry choices and lack any real output to take people down.