f0xx Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Considering what else one can buy with RP points, the price of the pets does seem excessively high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_body Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Why not allow for things like, The Gaia creature will occasionally throw out...I was gonna say earthquake, but isn't that an area spell? Hurricane? Webbing? dirt kick? I don't know. Something. The Crystal Bird could grant sense motion (improved sight right?) or...Some kind of deluge of water, or a shriek that was like berserker's roar, or a lightning bolt The Hellhound could give a howl that was like a berserker's roar, it could throw a chaos something that was like a flame arrow or flamestrike or kick dirt. It would fire occassionally just like a pet dragon does. *shrug* just an idea. You could also make them a decent HP mob with low attacks, still something. That would be more powerful for some combos than others, shamans or clerics or mage types especially I guess. *shrug* I'm not thinking so much about balance at the moment as just general ideas, but I don't think anything I've mentioned makes the pet a variable to unbalance a combo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enethier Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 I like P's idea. They aren't game-changing affects, but useful and well worth the cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Professor Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 I was under the impression that all pets, purchased within the Bazaar, would eventually be set-up to provide pk prowess to uncabaled characters. Those that eventually joined a cabal... could still use those same pets as mounts and, of course, rp. Though, having read this... I suppose those pets haven't been implemented yet. However, I don't see why the ones we have now couldn't be modified to work like the aforementioned pets, but that's neither here nor there.The pets in the menagerie now, though aesthetically cool as they're intended, is very pricey by comparison to other items (not advocating increasing those prices, just maybe lowering the rp pets? ) and not justifiably level based... considering that they are just an rp tool, why restrict choices to level dependency? obviously the ones that require level 50 to purchase are the most showy, but then... if you're going to spend rp points on a pure rp pet... they should be showy - very showy! just throwing out ideas. again, I would like to thank the Imms for all their hard work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Volgathras Posted March 13, 2014 Author Implementor Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Let me preface by saying we have heard the word of the masses, and we're discussing changes to these pets in the imm forums now. What follows is a bit of a personal rant. Stop reading here if you aren't interested. I was a little dissappointed with the response to pets, but in part that's on my head for not making their role clear from the beginning. Pets are meant as RP tools, extras for those who are interested in having them. You aren't forced to purchase one, and they were'nt given pk abilities so as to stop people from gaining advantages. They're displays of ability, a way to make your character stand out - the same way someone may purchase a Van Gogh, they don't necessarily have a purpose, but they show off your wealth and taste. The price was chosen due to how unique the item is in the game world. Very few items in total have color. NO other item/mob in the game changes its descriptors like this pet does (well, one mob does, but that's an imm pet). No other item to my knowledge calls a pet to you for free without restrictions, even if that pet has no 'function'. The price being what it is means that few will have these pets, making those characters special in their own way. Reducing the cost for vanity pets entirely removed any point in having them, and then everyone's running around with something exceptionally unique. This is similar to the arguments over rares - they're rare because not everyone is meant to have one, and for these pets their rarity doesn't undermine pk viability, so that argument is moot. While I understand the culture of modern gaming requires that everything be tailored to make the player feel more powerful, I'm irrittated by the fact. Some things, in my opinion, should simply be there to look pretty, or make a character special. The need to dominate - and to have everything you carry geared towards helping in that role - is endemic in gaming. We're a PK mud, I get that, but these are RP awards bought with RP points... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Professor Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 see... you make a good bit of sense when you actually open up and share your feelings! you've clearly put a lot of thought into this, and being the first person to buy a pet when the Bazaar opened, I've enjoyed it. actually, I became obsessed with wanting these pets mountable because I would love to see my character fly-in on said mount, which made me lose sight of their actual intention. now that we're aware of their intended use, without being left to the whims of our own imagination and high ideals, I think they're great the way they are. some of what you typed, would be great clarification in the menagerie... "the same way someone may purchase a Van Gogh, they don't necessarily have a purpose, but they show off your wealth and taste." is perfect... of course, we can substitute "works of art" for "a Van Gogh".sorry you're disappointed. nothing worse than trying to do something, selfless, for someone and feel as though it isn't appreciated. I feel a bit disappointed in myself, rp is my favorite aspect of this game after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cephirus Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 I am glad to hear that they are not combat pets, actually. As you stated, they should be unique so not everyone has one. It will mean more to those characters whom do spend the points, as it will certainly be a conversation piece in the very least. My only suggestion may be to have mountable pets as well. I think that most everyone would agree that that would not be unfair to others and would certainly add additional incentive to obtain pets, yet not be an issue of balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serinkane Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 Don't be disappoint Volg, you know how we like to pick things apart. Trust me when I say we are eternally greatful for ALL of the work your putting in (Even if the pets suck) hah!. Personally I saw one of the pets changing colors and was amazed at art. There will always be the pk players and the RP players. I've seen plenty of pets in use, some people enjoy the RP, some dont. I'll keep donating, if you keep adding cool shit like this! <3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Volgathras Posted March 14, 2014 Author Implementor Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 Let me clarify that the above post wasn't in my capacity as an administrator but as a player. Maybe I should have dusted off my mort account Also, my personal feelings aside I -and the whole staff - perform at the behest of the players. PLEASE let your feelings known and share your opinions, even if someone disagrees with you! All we do is for you guys, 100%. So you'll be seeing changes to pets once we find out the best course of action. We're thinking somewhere along the lines of desc dragons.As for mounts, Professor, once we get our idea going you wont be disappointed, I promise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Professor Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) well I've certainly never been disappointed by any of the Imms we currently have, that I can assure you! I love this game. I can honestly say I've never been addicted to anything quite like FL. I know and feel you guys do what you think is best for the players and the game, as a whole, which really says a lot 'cause all of you devote your time to something in which you believe. whatever you guys decide to do, I look forward to discovering it. Edited March 14, 2014 by The Professor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKid Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 I dont have one yet but cant wait be it asthetic, pk, or f they can be made simple against mobs out of pk. I love the idea and cant wait to get mine heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_body Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 "Vanity Pets" Now this makes perfect sense. For the "RP Elite" if you will. If THAT'S the structure of what they're for, then that totally makes sense. That just isn't what I initially expected, right? I think everyone will agree that based on that simple phrase, no one will argue with the Rp-oriented nature of the pets. I, for one, am perfectly content to renege on everything I said. While it still all applies, I really really LIKE the idea of a vanity pet. Do not have them be for anything other than an artistic taste. That way, the ONLY people that have them, are those who want to show their RP 'status' if you will, just like an original Van Gogh. Now, I am also all for making ANOTHER set of pets that have a function, like desc dragons, but like you said, make the pet functional, and suddenly they aren't a unique status symbol anymore. So I say this, I'm all for democracy and I have been incredibly grateful for the attention the staff has paid to me as a player and the playerbase suggestions that have been proposed. SO: Before you make any changes to the Menagerie pets as they stand, make a poll and get some comments. If people want the pets changed, then proceed with making the changes you've implied. If they vote to keep them the same, then let's do that and have them be exactly what you first envisioned. My issue wasn't with the actual critters, it was with a misconception and unfulfilled expectations. Now, while I would not have purchased said pet if I knew it's purpose, I like the idea of having that as an option, and if, by some miracle, I become an RP demi-god, I would then have the RP points to frivolously throw away on said status symbol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 Let me preface by saying we have heard the word of the masses, and we're discussing changes to these pets in the imm forums now. What follows is a bit of a personal rant. Stop reading here if you aren't interested. I was a little dissappointed with the response to pets, but in part that's on my head for not making their role clear from the beginning. Pets are meant as RP tools, extras for those who are interested in having them. You aren't forced to purchase one, and they were'nt given pk abilities so as to stop people from gaining advantages. They're displays of ability, a way to make your character stand out - the same way someone may purchase a Van Gogh, they don't necessarily have a purpose, but they show off your wealth and taste. The price was chosen due to how unique the item is in the game world. Very few items in total have color. NO other item/mob in the game changes its descriptors like this pet does (well, one mob does, but that's an imm pet). No other item to my knowledge calls a pet to you for free without restrictions, even if that pet has no 'function'. The price being what it is means that few will have these pets, making those characters special in their own way. Reducing the cost for vanity pets entirely removed any point in having them, and then everyone's running around with something exceptionally unique. This is similar to the arguments over rares - they're rare because not everyone is meant to have one, and for these pets their rarity doesn't undermine pk viability, so that argument is moot. While I understand the culture of modern gaming requires that everything be tailored to make the player feel more powerful, I'm irrittated by the fact. Some things, in my opinion, should simply be there to look pretty, or make a character special. The need to dominate - and to have everything you carry geared towards helping in that role - is endemic in gaming. We're a PK mud, I get that, but these are RP awards bought with RP points...First time an immortal makes me feel ashamed of myself. Props for this very well written post, Volg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 Why don't the players that wish to have a PK pet don't go and buy on from the cities.You can get a Gharnizon that bashes, a Proefessional soldier that dirts, a trigger or golem that trips.Or a join a cabal and have a pet that disarms, or one that poisons.But leave RP pets that are a RP reward be for RP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magick Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 ...But leave RP pets that are a RP reward be for RP. Here's something that isn't said often:I agree with Mya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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