mace heavy?

[miskahn]

http://www.medievalweaponinfo.com/ancient/364-my-weapon-of-choice-the-spike-mace/

 

my thoughts would be a mace like this wouldnt be all that heavy.... just wonderin on a few things as to why some maces in game are actually quite heavy

 

i could understand maybe a chain mace(the one thats like a flail) would be heavy and a two handed mace be heavy but 18-20str to hold a one handed mace seems a bit excessive?

 

any thoughts and any feedback would be appreciated

 

 

"A mace is a wooden or metal shaft with a head made of metal. The head is slightly thicker than the diameter of the shaft, shaped with flanges, knobs or spikes to allow greater penetration of armor. The mace was first developed around 12,000 B.C. and became an important weapon worldwide. During the Middle-Ages, maces proved able to inflict damage on well-armored knights." 

 

To me that doesn't sound overly 'heavy'

[Enethier]

It kinda is, though. Maces, in the more traditional sense, were very large, very heavy weapons that used sheer kinetic force to deal damage. They heavier they are, the more forceful the impact. As you noted, they were prized in the middle ages for their usefulness against armored foes. You don't batter armor with a billy club.

Even one handed maces were made to be heavy, with the stereotypical "club" being outdated since before mankind had written language. Their weight is more oft held at the head, designed to use gravity to further propel the mace and increase the damage of the blow in an arcing fashion. Both the premise and the arcing motion itself favor heavier weapons, and so maces tended to be quite heavy.

[f0xx]

The other day we were playing with some new machine at work, that used some tools that looked very much like real life maces. They were so nice that I had to take some pictures of them. Here they are:

 

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e76/p_f0xx/IMG_20140227_133626_zps4837187e.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e76/p_f0xx/IMG_20140227_133637_zpsf8da8d45.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e76/p_f0xx/IMG_20140227_133906_zpsafc96f9b.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e76/p_f0xx/IMG_20140227_133911_zps1e1f2a6f.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e76/p_f0xx/IMG_20140227_133917_zps3e219bd2.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e76/p_f0xx/IMG_20140227_133927_zps519ef204.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e76/p_f0xx/IMG_20140227_134024_zps79e4e9a5.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e76/p_f0xx/IMG_20140227_134030_zps64c3a93d.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e76/p_f0xx/IMG_20140227_134040_zps521c4f80.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e76/p_f0xx/IMG_20140227_134250_zps6e411396.jpg

 

Now as you can see, that thing is not very wide (35mm in diameter) but weighted quite a lot - I would say between 15 and 20 kilos. And I would think real life maces would be quite wider.

 

PS. The funny dude in the first pic "wielding" the "mace" is not me.

 

 

The small one, which you can see on a few of the pictures, which was a size similar to a shortsword weighted probably around 6-7 kilos too. I don't think a lot of the people here understand how heavy solid metal is

[Magick]

Hit up the overview to see the specifications of said weapons.  Granted, they may be reproductions, but they still should be about the same weight as their medieval counterparts.

Iberian Mace

German Mace

River Thames Mace

 

Excerpt from Wikipedia.  Granted, not gospel but a moderate start:

"Mace as exercise equipment:

Even to this day almost all the akharas (Combat training Gymnasiums) use heavy stone maces for training for the simple reason that it combines weight and maneuverability training. Cadets were given 5 kg stone maces and were taught to maneuver without breaking movement, and when the cadet would become well versed at combat maneuvers it would be switched with a heavier weight to go up to 35 then 45 kg to a point that the combatant could swing a heavy mace the whole day.

The simple result would remain that if a combatant has the practice to handle a heavy mace over extended time he would very easily manage even the heavy swords that weighed 7 to 10 kg without exhaustion."

 

If nothing else, you've got this:

http://s4.photobucket.com/user/Nephtys/media/Weapons/Flanged_mace.jpg.html

[miskahn]

so why then are some maces quite heavy IG then some maces are rather light?

[Dead Voodoo Doll]

so certain cleric races can't wield them.

[mya]

The only mace I can think of that is to heavy to wield is the:

Object 'smoking hammer' is type weapon, material Steel.Extra flags: nodrop.Weight is 37, value is 3, level is 50.Weapon type is mace/club.Damage is 6d8 (average 27).Affects damroll by 1.Affects hitroll by 1.Rare item. (20 Str)Mummy, Inside the Library, All north in the second floor corridor of the house.House Inside Labyrinth.

Five or six years ago this was a good re-equip mace, since good maces were limited to only:

Power-hammer

Lich Sceptre

Night-bringer (evils)

Still, limited to humans or better STR.

 

But now with the Golden Maul and the Masher there is no reason to pick this up.

It's to hard to get to it, to heavy and doesn't has smoke-blind or other special features.

 

What would be neat is if Dawn-Bringer came back.

Object 'dawnbringer mace huge two-handed' is type weapon, material iron.Extra flags: glow magic antievil antineutral.Weight is 24, value is 3200, level is 28.Weapon type is two-handed mace/club.Damage is 8d4 (average 20).Affects hitroll by 3.Affects damroll by 3.(4 Str) From Tyrgoth.

Not in is original incarnation but as a Clone of Night-bringer available to L30 Clerics/Paladins.

We can get a avg20 1h mace with socket from the Arena already.