Why can ferals be clerics but not druids?

[Mmm Coffee]

Just curious

[Chesta6384]

WAYYYYYY TO OVERPOWERED!

[Dale]

So people would play them.  Same for rangers.

[The-Nameless]

Druids have no vuln you can hit with melee. A Feral druid would lose circle of protection because it helps cover their vuln. Also ferals are "dark" twisted creatures warped by the corruption int he forsaken lands. Not really a group I think gaia would give her blessings to at will. Perhaps in special instances, but I don't think it fits FL lore well.

[Mmm Coffee]

Not for nothing...but when is the last time you saw a druid and thought "WAAAAYY TOO  OVERPOWERED"?

[The-Nameless]

When is the last time you saw a Zerk and thought "my god he is a monster". Just because people do not play the class right, does not mean the class is not strong, it means it requires more finesse than people are applying to it.

[f0xx]

Druids have no vuln you can hit with melee. A Feral druid would lose circle of protection because it helps cover their vuln.

 

That's just too funny.

[The Professor]

for whatever reason, Ferals were either deemed a race that would unbalance the class OR didn't, like was mentioned, make rp sense... *shrug* same with a lot of races that can be Rangers but not Druids. (wouldn't think a Half-Elf would be op, but what do I know? Druid races all seemed to be limited in mana for a reason) 

however, Ferals (like all the races) CAN be Druids... all you've gotta do is rp and put in an app!

I would like to point out, if you're going to go that route... do it because of the rp. I'm certain you'll get gimped in some form or fashion on the pk end. 

[Aulian]

That's just too funny.

I laughed too.

[The-Nameless]

Ok, do I have to spell it out? Let's go this way:

 

Druids get Circle of Protection, which has several effects no?

One of these effects is an elemental shield (fire or ice)

Elemental shields lower damage of the opposing type (fire to ice ice to fire etc)

Now a druid with ice shield means fire hurts less

ferals are vuln to fire

 

Feral druid can now reduce the amount of damage it takes from fire. Not rocket science.

[Aulian]

I'll wade in and say I don't think that feral druids would be over powered.

 

With werebeasts there are still other stronger combos.

 

Having played a couple myself, I'll note that druids are very much finesse killers. Being a 'powerhouse' in terms of quick easy kills is next to impossible and attrition is normally the way forward (no lag skills (realistically), and no high damage output = longer battles.)

[Enethier]

If we start seeing feral druids, I will start seeing it as totally unfair that Drow cannot be rangers. 

PS: Pleeeeeeease

[f0xx]

Ok, do I have to spell it out? Let's go this way:

 

Druids get Circle of Protection, which has several effects no?

One of these effects is an elemental shield (fire or ice)

Elemental shields lower damage of the opposing type (fire to ice ice to fire etc)

Now a druid with ice shield means fire hurts less

ferals are vuln to fire

 

Feral druid can now reduce the amount of damage it takes from fire. Not rocket science.

 

Yes, good example.

 

And fire giant discord clerics lose their fire shield too, yes?

 

Oh wait, they don't.

[Aulian]

If we start seeing feral druids, I will start seeing it as totally unfair that Drow cannot be rangers. 

PS: Pleeeeeeease

 

I dont see the correlation between a druid and a ranger... Its chalk and cheese. I'd like to see a drow Druid They'd survive all of 2 minutes against anyone. 

 

 

Yes, good example.

 

And fire giant discord clerics lose their fire shield too, yes?

 

Oh wait, they don't.

 

If you realise how those shields work you'll know that whilst you're closing one door you're opening another. I've seen a significant damage increase from weapon types against those shields - sometimes with a smart opponent its easier to forgo the shield or use black/white. 

 

Also fire giant discord clerics are not a comparison. To do well with a firegiant cleric you 1. have to put in a ridiculous amount of time to become viable 2. Be very intelligent when it comes to equipment to compensate for your mana issues. 

Obviously coupled with a certain cabal choice this becomes negligible but class/race combinations aren't balanced with cabal's in mind. 

[The-Nameless]

Without delving too deep into dischord DI, there where changes that affected Duergar, and Fire giants in relation to that particular skill f0xx. I also do not think anyone is questioning if FG dischord cleric is noticably stronger than most other clerics.

[Enethier]

I dont see the correlation between a druid and a ranger... Its chalk and cheese. I'd like to see a drow Druid They'd survive all of 2 minutes against anyone. 

 

 

The correlation is: Ferals can't be druids for reasons concerning their RP, to include their habitat and the nature of their transformation. Drow can't be rangers for reasons concerning their RP, to include their habitat and the nature of their transformation.

This has nothing to do with "drow Druids". It was a joke about how stuff like this exists for much more than just ferals and the druid class.

[f0xx]

Without delving too deep into dischord DI, there where changes that affected Duergar, and Fire giants in relation to that particular skill f0xx.

Please, do point me towards those changes then.

I also do not think anyone is questioning if FG dischord cleric is noticably stronger than most other clerics.

I am.

[The-Nameless]

After Suunmar there wher echanges made to the dischord divine intervention. I am not going to track down the change log as I am unsure when exactly, but I assure you it happened. Maybe an Imm can verify?

[f0xx]

Why do I even bother with this argument...

[Erelei]

Naturally vuln characters to a certain type of magic, in this case dwarves and Duergar who are also resistant to magic (effectively canceling the vuln) no longer cancel their own vulns without outside help from spells or skills. For instance: duergars and dwarves actually take more than a decimate from jet steam.

[Aulian]

Naturally vuln characters to a certain type of magic, in this case dwarves and Duergar who are also resistant to magic (effectively canceling the vuln) no longer cancel their own vulns without outside help from spells or skills. For instance: duergars and dwarves actually take more than a decimate from jet steam.

 

Steam to the  FACE

[The-Nameless]

Same thing with fire giants and the perks of dischord DI.

[Aulian]

Let me be the first person to tell you that Ice shield SUCKS in comparison to fireshield. 

 

Besides the advantages in fighting certain classes - I hardly ever use ice shield... If you just tried to cover your vuln the entire time, you're removing like 20% of your total offensive output. Druids rely on shield o' thorns and fireshield to deal damage imo.

[The-Nameless]

by reducing the damage you take on your vuln your increasing your attrition ability. Feral defenses are higher than any race in FL as well. So your AC is huge, your reducing your vuln's damage, your a defensive monster. A feral is also a very high dex race. Druids are the only class that has access to every non cabal AC buff in the game (barring one racial quest that can provide it a limited number of times). I am sure some of you remember fighting FAye. 700 ac made her nigh impossible to hit, as a feral if you focused solely on stacking your armor class, you could achieve a rating in AC that would make it near impossible for a melee char to ever even really hit you, let alone beat you. 

[Aulian]

by reducing the damage you take on your vuln your increasing your attrition ability. Feral defenses are higher than any race in FL as well. So your AC is huge, your reducing your vuln's damage, your a defensive monster. A feral is also a very high dex race. Druids are the only class that has access to every non cabal AC buff in the game (barring one racial quest that can provide it a limited number of times). I am sure some of you remember fighting FAye. 700 ac made her nigh impossible to hit, as a feral if you focused solely on stacking your armor class, you could achieve a rating in AC that would make it near impossible for a melee char to ever even really hit you, let alone beat you. 

 

 

So druids get an additional -50ac boost? Its hardly game breaking.

 

Faye had every single piece of her equipment enchanted (Im sure something with this has been limited now I cant remember the change log exactly) - not something no one else can do, just ask an invoker. She was also a werefalcon which added a HUGE amount to that AC bonus. 

 

Shield -20ac

Armor -20ac

Flesh armor -20ac

Stone Skin -40ac

Arms of Gaia -50ac

 

Total of -150ac  from spells and only 30% of which no one else could have.

 

If anyone wants to focus on -ac I can give them a list for a suit that would let them have -400 easily. Add the -100 from those buffs and -500ac. Find an invoker and you can probably add another -50 to -100 on top of that.