Implementor Volgathras Posted January 27, 2015 Implementor Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Err, I guess a more current real-world example might be ISIS as chaotic evil and Anonymous as chaotic neutral? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Anon chaotic neutral? That's chaotic good. Just like V for Vendetta. Jack Sparrow is chaotic neutral, more like. HULK is chaotic neutral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naruthiron Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Jack Sparrow is chaotic evil, not chaotic neutral. While less evil by comparison to Emperor Palpatine or The Joker, he still has a trait that crosses the line and defines him as, in fact, evil. Evils can have redeeming qualities, and Jack Sparrow certainly has several, however his greed and vanity put others in danger. What's more, is he knowingly does it. He often times actively seeks to improve his own position by worsening the position of those around him, even his "allies". While to some extent this is neutral behavior, his willingness to harm others for his own sake is actually a form of evil. He is an anti-hero, not a true hero.Anon is chaotic neutral because they do not only target "evil" institutions. Even if we only focus on their humanitarian hacking, they still carry out their tactics in ways that (knowingly) impact the common people in a negative faction (they are totally fine with collateral damage). That's not good. That's neutral. Even when fighting against oppressive ruling powers, a chaotic good will not harm innocents. The Hulk is a tricky one. In the early stages, he is of course chaotic neutral. In some representations, though - like the incident in New York during the Avengers movie - he is more in-line with chaotic good. In fact, in most of his depictions, there is a fairly consistent correlation between the Hulk's alignment and how well the rage can be focused. That is to say, the better Banner's self-control gets, the less neutral the Hulk is. /2 cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trick Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Dungeons and Dragons wiki describes Jack Sparrow as a chaotic neutral. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alignment_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)#Chaotic_Good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Volgathras Posted January 27, 2015 Implementor Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Wikis are written by people like me, who believe people give a shit about their opinions I would call Jack Sparrow neutral. He's usually out for himself, but can and has been inspired to work for the benefit of others.My usually baseline criteria for determining neutral behavior is "are they just as likely to benefit one side as the other?" In my personal opinion, looking out solely for yourself, actively harming both sides for personal gain, is evil. There's no 'good' in that behavior to balance. In the case of sparrow his default nature is evil, but occaisionally performs good - even selfless good - to offset his litany of selfish destructive behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trick Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Sorry, specifically its the " Complete Scoundrel: A Player's Guide to Trickery and Ingenuity ", a rule book for the 3.5 edition of D&D that says that...according to the wiki.. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledgerbay Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Greatest thread ever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledgerbay Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Greatest thread ever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Criminal Posted January 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Jack Sparrow is a Chaotic Neutral, he doesnt kill much but throws down every chance he gets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dewaholic Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 If my memory of history serves me right Piracy actually started out (in the era of parrots and peg legs) as a lawful act. When engaging in piracy you were following the orders of you King and Country during a time of war. This became a chaotic act when the pirates and navy were no longer needed and the captains (and men who were loyal to them) decided to continue their work to make a living.Jack sparrow was clearly in the later part of that argument as he was defying the powers that be (the east india trading company) but the presance of a pirate code brings up the question was he actually chaotic?In D&D chaotic is defined as anyone who does what they want reguardless of established laws, traditions and moral codes. In the FL its basically just obeying the laws in a city. So I submit that the author of the Scoundals book was looking at Jack Sparrow through a jaded looking glass and in fact Jack Sparrow is LAWFUL according to the D&D rules. However in the Forsaken Lands he would be chaotic through and through.Now that I have made the differenciation between FL and D&D for ethos, the same can probably be said for Alignment. The primary thing we look for has to be motive. In both D&D and FL evils of all kinds occasionally do good deeds. Its not often but it happens. The question is why? Why would Thulgan save the world? No idea but it happened once. Does anyone disagree that Thulgan is Evil? Jack Sparrow raided, pillaged, plundered, murdered, and made a deal with a very illithid looking devil. There are seven deadly sins and Jack made it a point to endulge in all of them. He didnt murder very often (in the movies) but he order his crew to or at least didnt stop them when he had the power to. Further because of his attitude of "all about saving my ass at the expence of everyone elses" he is in fact evil. Yes he saved will at the end but as someone once said One good deed can not make up for a lifetime of evil.I submit that Jack sparrow is actually a Lawful Evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Oh my gaaaaaawd...... This is getting truly HILARIOUS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellwyn Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Lol, maybe I should not have taken it too hard. But it really didnt feel right getting killed by a fully equiped warrior as a lvl 18 cleric (who is obviously spaming spells in a secluded spot). Was a bit more than annoyed at the time. That's not even close to a fair fight nor any sort of challenge. What does it prove to that player? That they can kill a completely defenseless opponent when they already clearly have the upper hand? Don't think they should be feeling good about themselves for doing this, especially as someone who is supposed to represent someone who is 'good'. Just my 2 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Acts like the one you and UC described are usually executed by players that are not very "good", Ellwyn. From my experience vets usually avoid PKing at low ranks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreir Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 Storm warrior?Lol, maybe I should not have taken it too hard. But it really didnt feel right getting killed by a fully equiped warrior as a lvl 18 cleric (who is obviously spaming spells in a secluded spot). Was a bit more than annoyed at the time. That's not even close to a fair fight nor any sort of challenge. What does it prove to that player? That they can kill a completely defenseless opponent when they already clearly have the upper hand? Don't think they should be feeling good about themselves for doing this, especially as someone who is supposed to represent someone who is 'good'. Just my 2 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 Be prepared back. I usually begin basic consumable farming quite eary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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