svs- Breath

[Erelei]

There's a lot of speculation in these posts. 

 

Instead of knocking on a revamp of a class, help me balance it by actually playing a bard and submitting actual issues and/or logs, suggestions, etc from your experiences.

 

Some have already done this, which have led to several changes.

 

While speculation is okay, it's not really doing this class justice just by going over what you think might be overpowered as opposed what might ACTUALLY be overpowered.

[f0xx]

Sorry Morle.

[Fool_Hardy]

Instument >= Exotic destroy/disarm it, its two handed - bard loses parry and two-handed.

Steal < Big deal

In my investigation I have only found two perks I questioned.

Morl fixed one, and informed me the other Is intentional.

[The Forsaken]

That's a pretty manipulative writing there. The nexus weapon can be only 1 type. Some classes know it, others don't. Also, what are you doing there? Comparing bards to warriors and saying it's fine? Weapon selection is one of the biggest advantages of warriors. That's like giving warriors the ability to raise zombies and saying it's fine because Necros can do it. Or ice storm, and saying it's fine because invokers can do it. Strange logic.

 

I'm not trying to be manipulative, or snippy in any way concerning your post. I'll use blue this time because it's a more peaceful color. Weapon selection is one of the biggest advantages of all melee classes. And, I know you know this, warriors already have the ability to raise zombies. Ice storm, not yet. But maybe later? And you are correct on the Nexus weapons. I should have said Knight. I get the two weapon making cabals mixed up at times.  I'd like to say again, I don't think the instruments are the problem, the ability to get them quite easily is. Put the materials deep in Desolation or Dischord and see how many bards run around with those. Then, when a bard dies, loot the weapon and sac it.

 

Ince again that necro-warrior strange logic.

 

I was actually referring to battlemages. Which are in fact somewhat like a necro-warrior. More like a warrior with a disgusting blind.

So now we not only have a warrior-like class that uses weapons unknown to any other class, but that class can also use heavy invoker like damage spells.

 

Battlemage? I played Poplin WAY back when. I had EXTERME success with him. Was it because I was a baller battlemage? Meh. I thought so back then. But, more than likely, it's because no one really played battlemages, and when I got into the groove of it no one really knew how to fight me. Same thing applies here to Bards.

 

No, your "warriors get this so it's fine" argument does not nullify my arguments. I don't think your arguments above have proved anything at all actually. So now we not only have warrior-like class using weapons no other class knows casting high-damage spells, but those spells also have their own save which works only against this class? Still fine with it?

 

This was the 'see above posts' comment. My apologies. I was referring to the above posers, not just above in my own post.

 

Last I checked bless did stack with their warcry song. Not sure about frenzy, but I think that stacked too.

 

Was brought to Morl's attention a while ago. This does not happen anymore.

 

That's a pretty absurd thing to say at all. You know it very well, because your own bard has stolen from some very heavy lagger chars without dying to them.

 

Not absurd at all. I'm not trying to be rude or ugly or anything in between, but that very heavy lagger should have killed me for it, but I think I barely managed to flee and took a teleport death.

 

I haven't seen the nerfed version of piercing note, but I will probably agree with you here. It's a long standing FL tradition to have something outrageously strong implemented and then nerf it way over the top (feign comes to mind).

 

Truuuuuth. Poor feign warriors.

 

"just kill them" is not an argument. Just like "just log out" is not an argument against assassinate.

Sorry....but this is FL. Either you RP it or you PK it. If you can't RP your bracelet back, PK it back. Agree to disagree on if my 'just kill them' is a valid argument.

 

You are most likely correct on your first point, and correct indeed on the second one.

And that doesn't prove anything at all. Most of the bard characters that run around at this point are test characters, rolled for the sole purpose of learning the class.

PS. Please don't pick my post apart and reply to snippets of it. Classes are not mono-dimensional single abilities. They are a package. You can't say "this skill is fine" cause warriors/invokers already do that. They are not warriors nor invokers. They are bards, with a completely different setup and a completely different lore.

 

Again, I'm not trying to be 'cute' or argumentative for the sake of arguing, or actually trying to 'pick your post apart and reply to snippets of it' this is just the easiest way to reply to your comments that were in numbered order. The only snippet that I didn't reply to was the part about Dale thinking Bards are OP, but Dale thinks anything that he is currently not playing is OP, so it didn't really need to be addressed.

 

Sadly, I don't know how to quote a quote, quote by quote in my reply, so you all have to deal with scrolling up to another post to understand what's going on.

[Trick]

Ya know.. Nothing is perfect right out of the gate and things are going to need tweaked with. When I was pushing this bard revamp so heavily to the Staff my biggest point of emphasis was on the fact that the same classes tend to get the most attention and that the classes that really need them the most, haven't. 

 

This is something that is totally new in design and concept. The Staff didn't just take existing skills/spells, throw them together, and call it a class. That's what they did to the last bard revamp and it was the worst thing ever. How do I know? NO ONE PLAYED THEM.

 

Are bards strong? I dunno. I haven't played or fought one. I want to..really..really..really..bad. But I have an issue with playing the popular stuff. So, I'll wait and THEN I'll roll my badass bard. 

 

Now, we have NEW stuff coming out. New concepts, new skills, spells, songs, AND a basic crafting system that will be evolved into OTHER facets of the game. If the Staff is willing to take on this huge overhaul to the class then imagine what else they have in store for other classes.

 

Element focused invokers? Necromancer update? Who knows. Let's wait and see. 

[f0xx]

Battlemage? I played Poplin WAY back then.

I liked Poplin.

Ok I lie, I hated Poplin. He kicked my ass a lot

[Dale]

For the record i don't think Any class is op. I made a few jokes about bards because i lost just under 800 hp with one song. Dual Backstab doesn't do as much damage. So please stop taking everything i say so seriously.

#Hatedpoplin

[Dale]

Damn cell phone :/

[Erelei]

For the record i don't think Any class is op. I made a few jokes about bards because i lost just under 800 hp with one song. Dual Backstab doesn't do as much damage. So please stop taking everything i say so seriously.

#Hatedpoplin

 

Actually, yeah it can.

[Dale]

Maybe if you hit a vuln.

[Aulian]

Maybe if you hit a vuln.

 

 

Or you just get the combination with traps right so they have no sanc and then pry certain eq and plant other eq. 

 

I have taken over 800 damage from a dual backstab from Azantar before... And others but I dont really get jacked by thieves all that often. 

[The Forsaken]

Mya told me that thieves had their own 'svs vs backstab' roll. Overpowered if you ask me.

[mya]

I said no such thing...

[f0xx]

You did. It was in the chat. I saw it too.

[Magick]

I concur.

 

Poor Mya.  So forgetful.

[Dale]

#Myasaidthat