TheNewGuy Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 nope, WM is just taking a break, and will be back right after commercials Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chayesh Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Funny I remember Senrail being taken out by those same two savants with ease' date=' even though he was surrounded by his allies. And Rompkei also met his end to a savant. Though Rompkei did very very well I must say, until that point. Quite the exception.[/quote'] Senrail taken out by Savant? Hmm...what was his last name...MAGEBANE? Yeah. Senrail initially struggled, true, but once he figured out his cabal strengths and blended them with his style, he owned every Savant Anithraril had. Singlehandedly, I might add, as he was the ONLY WM for a quite some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suunmar Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Senrail taken out by Savant? Hmm...what was his last name...MAGEBANE? Yeah. Senrail initially struggled' date=' true, but once he figured out his cabal strengths and blended them with his style, he owned every Savant Anithraril had. Singlehandedly, I might add, as he was the ONLY WM for a quite some time.[/quote'] Thats not true. I know there is 1 Savant that he could never beat, and died to for the majority of his deaths. This was the Savant he fought mostly when he was the only WM around (and honestly, it was mainly just those two duking it out for that duration. Both cabals were kind of stagnant). Then, as luck would have it, the Savant that was owning him took a break, and he gained strength...WMs grew, flourished, then that same Savant came back, and killed Senrail immediately. And continued to do so even with Warmasters in power. Honestly I found that the WM and Savant struggle has been majorly between these two figures since both of them were cabaled. They both had the power to tip scales, and they both did in one situation or another. Senrail certainly got better, but he still has a staggering loss record to 0 victory record with that one. Yes, Senrail owned quite a few savants. But like I said, sometimes you own, and sometimes you get owned...the ebb and flow of that causes a lot of cycles. The Savant he couldn't beat was replaced with savants he could. And so he did. A lot. To be fair, he may have been a 'Magebane' in the case of Cylandas, and other invokers...but certainly not Sarodin for one...and certainly not a 'Communerbane' for Suunmar. Actually I think the growing Warmaster power during that time lent itself to the Savants being more picky about induction. From the looks of it, they began to take on more warlike players that were using more melee survivable classes. While the two strong savants were fighting a highly slanted war against them, I think they did well in picking who would join. Knowing that any new Savant would have to be able to hold his own against a flood of WM, they picked the ones that would help them do better than just win, but actually turn back WM. I don't think it any random bit of luck that Savant gained power. It seems to be that they knew what they had to do, and went about doing it. And it worked. If I would really have to pick a Savant Crusher, it would have been Bazin. From the logs I saw of him, he was a rough enemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrothum Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 I don't seem to remember having a problem with Senrail too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
random_clown Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Yes, I agree with Zrothum. Senrail trumped some Savants pretty hard, but there were plenty that could deal with him. At times I'm curious how he didn't con die, or how close he is to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chayesh Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 His application for con-quest was granted based on his solid RP, his dedication to his cabal, his not really running from any fight even when he knew it was not going to go his way, and basically being a good example of the "Warmaster-style". As for his last name, "Magebane" was picked because the image of the Savant tower is of mages, not because he had trouble with other classes. I personally watched him destroy Meqizix (sp?) repeatedly in a single sitting. He did not run and hide when the numbers were against him (often 3 or more Savants online to his solo WM). I'm not suggesting any of you run and hide either, just stating the thoughts that went into his titling, con-quest, and renaming. An all-around solid character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-3000 Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 I enjoyed to have interaction with Senrail while playing Meerdus. Even he almost kicked my butt once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrothum Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 If I would really have to pick a Savant Crusher, it would have been Bazin. From the logs I saw of him, he was a rough enemy. He's the only person I've seen take out Suunmar so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suunmar Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 His application for con-quest was granted based on his solid RP, his dedication to his cabal, his not really running from any fight even when he knew it was not going to go his way, and basically being a good example of the "Warmaster-style". As for his last name, "Magebane" was picked because the image of the Savant tower is of mages, not because he had trouble with other classes. I personally watched him destroy Meqizix (sp?) repeatedly in a single sitting. He did not run and hide when the numbers were against him (often 3 or more Savants online to his solo WM). I'm not suggesting any of you run and hide either, just stating the thoughts that went into his titling, con-quest, and renaming. An all-around solid character. Yes, I would agree that during his showdowns with some of the stronger savants...of which he knew he would lose, he didn't back down. He may have run and camo'd constantly, but he stayed online. Saying that he did not run and hide when numbers were against him...I assume you mean logging out/never logging in kind of thing. Because he surely did plenty of running/camo, but that is fairly standard for a ranger. During the time that Senrail was the 'lone standard bearer' its somewhat interesting to note that really there was only 1, maybe 2 active Savants. I suppose there is something to be said for perseverance in this grudge match. Though I don't think the savant that was constantly winning got any credit really. However that Savant did seem bored, and stopped coming around. Which as was mentioned previously, gave Senrail breathing room. Do I think he deserved a con quest? Certainly, he took a beating and kept coming back. I think both ends of that struggle did well, and it was certainly always very interesting. You could actually see the grudges build up in that war till it was such vicious hatred of each other that, I know for one, the Warmasters issued decrees left and right to murder hourglass/savant and strip them naked, hah, love it! It was great drama, tempers flared, and in the end, after beginning with honorable fights....moving to vicious all out, do what it takes warfare, and back to honorable fights...I think that even in war the respect for each other came back. For a while it was lost, for certain. I was glad to see WM and Savant get back on track with fair battles. I have always wanted to think of WM as those who are melee duelists, and Savant as more magic duelists...in that they each consider themselves elite in their field, and as such, should fight respectively and with a degree of honor in their craft and reputation. Seeing some of the conversations that went back and forth between the higher up members in those cabals, it was nice that they acknowledged there was a problem, and worked towards a solution. For that, I will totally agree that Senrail proved to be a good leader for Warmasters. He sought a solution, and a Savant provided it. I think it all worked out quite well in the end. A great life cycle for that character, and without that con quest it may never have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calron Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 No idea where your coming from with the idea that Senrail ran/camo'ed a lot. When I played Orlick he was, and still is the most dedicated cabal member I've ever seen. He would never leave without his standard until he was dead and full looted. I've never seen anyone else with the courage to go up against sometimes three Savants without a standard as a WM Gladiator. He taught me a hell of a lot about how to play a good cabal member, and I still admire him for it. If you ask me he completely deserved everything he got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrothum Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Never meant to say he didn't deserve everything he got.... Just wanted to clarify that. Just meant to say he wasn't invincible. No one will ever be. Tetsunai is always out there somewhere. and by the by...God I hated Orlick when I played Brothem lol. Glad to see you on the forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chayesh Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Yes, by not "running and hiding" I meant "logging out and quitting" when he was up against multiple Savants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirax Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Rolled up a character to try for warmaster, read these posts and the future of my warmaster grew very bleak . Played a WM before and it was one of my most enjoyable characters but the thought of uber decked dicks and the like challenging you non stop, stomping on you non stop and looting non stop is fast putting an end to my dreams of being a warmaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tassinvegeta Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 Well I think we'd see alot less logging off and quitting in cabal warfare if everyone could use the hide or camouflage skill. Though I agree Senrail was good and is a dedicated leader. But I don't think when he was at his peak it was against the strongest of mages, Meqizix, I remember eating him for breakfast and i'm not that great of a pker? But I'll never forget I witnessed six warmaster versus Sarodin and Suunmar. After constant battle those two immediately went after Senrail and finished him in a few rounds (while he was holding some of the best wares in the game) with all the other warmaster powerless to do anything. Soon after all the others fell and thus ended the might of the Warmaster, once again. First hand lowbie witness right here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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