Evangelion Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 So when I came back two months ago, I was in a flurry of ideas for new characters. And, instead of writing them down and trying them later... I just did them all. However, as we all know, you can only devote an adequate amount of time to so many characters at any one moment. So with that in mind, I'm requesting the following characters be denied. Arosha GalleumAerendyl FireheartGranitor Sunblast and... Herbart Oakbottom Sorry to anyone that loved me or hated me, but I just have too many things I want to try and not enough time to try it all. As a few parting thoughts from the experiences I had... Two of these characters were rolled with the idea that they might go out for avatar. I never even realized that the application period had been changed to 15-30 in my absence. Whoops! Could this maybe be posted in the announcements section somewhere? When it comes to Battlemages in particular, I hope we continue to consider diversity of weapons as we develop unique ways for characters to suit up for battle. I found myself dancing the same exact weapons that good bmgs have been dancing for years. Divine Reckoning for a magic weapon, Notched Axe for a mundane weapon. I think there's a ton of potential here, but it's mostly unrealized. Why not change it so that BMGs can dance blunt weapons, for example, that do less damage but have neat effects (ex: "Aerendyl's Power Hammer whaps you in the head, causing you to see stars!" = headbutt effect). This would open up different playstyles for the class, instead of deck to the nines in -AC gear, get a good dancer, and alternate between dispel magic and sharpmetal. Storm giant clerics, from my brief experience with Arosha, are very challenging to play. You have less melee capacity than an FG cleric (especially since you can't access the best religion), but you're stuck with the same mana challenges. That and I also feel that there may be an issue related to the Combat DI/Holy Hands that results in further reduced mana regeneration, compounding the problem. But I can't say anything conclusive in that regard, and will leave it to the staff to assess whether it's worth looking into.Granted, I didn't stick with it very long. In fact, I quit playing immediately after getting M in Savant, which would have been a huge boon in terms of my mana problem. Finally... first of all, the Psionicist quest is absolutely ridiculous. I've always been of the opinion that quests should enhance the experience, not take away from it. I would even make the case that, if you've met the IMM approval through the application and wait period, you should just be qclass/qraced. In this case, were it not for the extreme generosity of Arexarlis and Vaerick, I would never have even made it this far, because I failed the quest several times. And then... well, I quickly learned that Psionicist is not my class, at least in my chosen path. It seems to be built in almost a rogue-like fashion, where you catch someone by surprise and then hope that all of your traps are laid perfectly for them to take massive damage upfront. Unfortunately, this just isn't my style of play. Still, thank you for the opportunity, as I've never played one before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhurong Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 As a goodie cleric, you can get dispel hands still. Think about it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trick Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 I liked Herbart! Is this you leaving FL again or just making a new char? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangelion Posted May 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 Sorry, this isn't me leaving FL - just me admitting to myself (and everyone else) that I don't have time to pick up these characters again. I do feel bad for ditching out on these characters, but then I realized that I shouldn't stifle what I want to play. My time is limited (although I'll freely admit I play more than I should), so I want to maximize the enjoyment I'm getting. It is a game, after all. I promise to find something I'll stick with, I just don't know what it's going to be yet. See you in game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trick Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 I liked Herbart.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangelion Posted May 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 If it's any consolation, I liked Ekhurift. And by liked, I mean you made me cry as Aerendyl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 I liked all those toons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangelion Posted May 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 Man, I wish I were Zrothum. Step 1: Level up and train ideas. Step 2: Get bored of them rather quickly. Step 3: Profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imoutgoodbye Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 How much for the psionicist? I have $20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangelion Posted May 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 If anyone's interested, I did a bunch of "Dream Logs" on Herbart as part of his RP in becoming a Psi - I can pull and post them. And yes, if I had been truly committed to the RP, I would have chosen that skill tree. But from what I hear, that path is dark and full of errors (bugs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 Man, I wish I were Zrothum. Aren't you already hairy and have man boobs? That's 75% of it right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Erelei Posted May 29, 2015 Implementor Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 A telepathy psion full of bugs? Since when? I did fine with my several I've played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magick Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 Sorry to see some of them go. Almost as sorry that I didn't interact with a couple more.I'd try the less is more approach, next time. Rather than all your ideas at once, limit it to two or so. Two of these characters were rolled with the idea that they might go out for avatar. I never even realized that the application period had been changed to 15-30 in my absence. Whoops! Could this maybe be posted in the announcements section somewhere? http://theforsakenlands.com/community/index.php?/topic/6941-change-log/May 2013Other:-Avatars have been moved to 15 - 30 And:AVATAR REQUIREMENTS Classes: All Races : All Level : 15-30 - MUST INCLUDE WORDS "avatar application" in application subject - Must be good aligned - Must be ruthless (help ruthless) - Must be follower of the way of Purity and powers of Life - Must have killed at least one player (pk). - Must have a minimum of 20 rp points. (Note: Any qrace/class character that falls below this rp point minimum requirement runs the risk of losing their character.) - Must have a completed character history (help history) You must send a scroll of application to Immortal, scribing of yourhistory, goals, and any deeds you think may help your chances to beapproved. The scroll must bear the title which includes words Avatarand Application or it will not be considered. If your scroll is approved you shall be made to know what else is required of you. See also: HELP AVATAR, HELP RP POINTS, HELP HISTORY, HELP RUTHLESSSure, this particular help file was updated recently with RPs, but I think that was the only change to it in the past couple years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangelion Posted May 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 Could have just been a vicious rumor, Morl. I thought I remembered reading it in a delete thread. Now that I think about it, I actually remember the scariest Psi I ever faced (Zelvhaeth) was telepathy. Something super creepy about those abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 Storm giant clerics, from my brief experience with Arosha, are very challenging to play. You have less melee capacity than an FG cleric (especially since you can't access the best religion) Not really. You can still get the "desired" holy hands effect, as someone else pointed out. That and I also feel that there may be an issue related to the Combat DI/Holy Hands that results in further reduced mana regeneration, compounding the problem. There is a bug indeed. Finally... first of all, the Psionicist quest is absolutely ridiculous. I've always been of the opinion that quests should enhance the experience, not take away from it. I would even make the case that, if you've met the IMM approval through the application and wait period, you should just be qclass/qraced. I completely agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manual Labour Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 Ive had two psi and I passed the quest first try on both (two different races and aligns). It is not that bad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 We just dumb Bali. I failed mine first try too. That being said though, that particular quest is quite well thought out, I must admit. Still, I think the idea of being accepted and THEN having to pass a quest, seems a bit odd to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Erelei Posted May 29, 2015 Implementor Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 There aren't any bugs with holy hands or cleric regen while hasted.You literally block attacks with your hands which uses your mana, thus cripples your mana regen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 There is a bug with cleric's combat religion DI though. I am not sure what triggers it, BUT the haste effects stay after haste itself drops, that includes the -150 mana. I can expand on this with logs, of course, if you wish. I think I had it reported somewhere on prayer, with logs and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hegemony Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 I bid 40$ on the PSI, but I need Zrothum to endorse the deal. I need to know it's legit, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hegemony Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 f0xx, can I borrow 40 dollars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangelion Posted May 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 There is a bug with cleric's combat religion DI though.I am not sure what triggers it, BUT the haste effects stay after haste itself drops, that includes the -150 mana. I can expand on this with logs, of course, if you wish. I think I had it reported somewhere on prayer, with logs and stuff. I do think that it's something along these lines. There's a definitive difference between your mana regeneration before and after you DI/Holy Hands. And I get that holy hands depletes mana when the defense triggers, but is it also supposed to reduce regeneration for the duration (without the DI affect)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Volgathras Posted May 30, 2015 Implementor Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Having an application accepted means being accepted to attempt the quest, not an auto qrace. I hope to add quests for all of them (got some sweet ideas for demon quest). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 BMG aren't that great mechanically from an offensive PKer perspective. Dk's do (comparatively) everything a BMG does, and better.But BMG are very interesting from an RP standpoint due to the uniqueness of the spells.They are the most defensive pure mage, but the extra headache of spell management doesn't translate into more PK power compared to other mages. For most PK aspects, in my opinion, players are better playing an invoker.Playing a good BMG also has some drawbacks like you found. Good weapons < evil weapons. BUT goods get compensated by healing/cures. What path was Herbart Oakbottom?Also, I don't think there is nothing wrong with Domination (telepathy) psis. They IMO are the weaker path, that is extra antimage in an antimage heavy class. But like BMG they get amazing RP rewards.Also, in my opinion, and I'm very aware that most of you will disagree, Gnomes make bad mages. Due to crap defenses. Clerics. Since when haste decreased -150 mana from clerics?Waht F00x? If this is true, < insert long rant about melee bias >And wouldn't this stuff be in the change log? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangelion Posted May 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Having an application accepted means being accepted to attempt the quest, not an auto qrace. I hope to add quests for all of them (got some sweet ideas for demon quest). I absolutely understand that this is the way things are. What I'm saying is that, from this player's perspective, putting in the effort at X level to get RP points, at least one PK, demonstrate a high level of quality, etc., that to get approved for the quest and then fail it is quite a let down. This is especially the case in situations where the answers to the quest could be subjective based on your RP, but still applicable to the race (I'm looking at you, undead quest). That said, I will also agree with whomever said that the quest is incredibly well done and well thought out. It's just frustrating and a pain in the ass. To be perfectly honest (and I know that we say "roll with the punches"), if I had failed the quest and hadn't been given another shot, I would have immediately tossed Herbart away. And if it hadn't been immediate, I would have played him half-heartedly until I just couldn't do it anymore - which may, in some respects, be even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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