Jump to content

I guess it's that time...


kamikazi

Recommended Posts

I've had an issue with the bard issue for a while now and now that I rolled one and checked it out myself I have even a bigger issue. It just isn't right for a bard to beat up certain classes in melee. I give up again for now as the issues with the bards are still not resolved. Goodbye from Izrud and soon another one.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Let's be a little more in depth with your appraisal of the bard class.  Having played one and fought many you should be able to offer an evaluation of the class in detail.  What are the high points and weak points specifically for and against.  What would be your specific opinions on what skills/songs to change and why?  Give us options to view not just a complaint.  Players opinions are valued but it takes time and a group consensus to observe change.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Imho make bards songs respond to -aff, -mal, and -mental saves. The breath idea was cool but does not sync to bard songs in an RP way and certainly seems overkill in practice.

Second, remove bard instruments as weapons. Make the instruments take up the bow/shield slot and have bards use normal weapons. This will remove the issue of bards in a certain cabal using songs, weapons, and projectiles and mitigate the awesome melee of bard weapons.

Make bards use those spells strategically.  Right now they are more like a blunt force instrument where finesse should be priority.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Having played Kyros and faced many bards myself, here's just a quick 2 cents:

1. Bards are very much a hybrid class like Dark Knights. And much like a DK, they rely somewhat on a stable melee base because their songs don't land reliably against a half decently saved opponent (unless you're an ogre).

2. Bards DO have some exploitable weaknesses that can make your fight against one more manageable. Examples: lack of blind fighting, all their songs are aoe, lack of protective shield, reliance on instrument.

3. The only time I feel bard melee is too powerful is when they are hasted. But I heard the hasted path got toned, so hopefully that fixed that problem.

*** If you really hate bards, I'd recommend rolling a bard killer specifically. Either monk or blademaster or warrior (with a focus on being able to disarm through cursed weapons). A well timed disarmed instrument + blinding + lag/bashes should do wonders assuming you are well equipped enough. Also, can pop into a room with a strong mob here and there to make things harder for them (especially if you ever see them four seasons - that thing keeps singing even while they are chasing you).

Link to comment
Share on other sites

But this is happening from a single class. Over and over and over. Also it's usually other classes or numbers that overcomes a strong character but the trend has mostly been constant tones to the class that has had the effect of the bard player quitting. Luckily others have recruited players back to the game only to see bards yet again run players off. How many examples of this do we need?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

31 minutes ago, tassinvegeta said:

But this is happening from a single class. Over and over and over. Also it's usually other classes or numbers that overcomes a strong character but the trend has mostly been constant tones to the class that has had the effect of the bard player quitting. Luckily others have recruited players back to the game only to see bards yet again run players off. How many examples of this do we need?

I completely agree. Although I decided to experiment and I will deck myself out and fight the same bard. If the issue remains, I rest my case.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Implementor

I'd also like to point out we're not against changes. We've made changes. Many per issues discussed with players. Many with whom have posted here telling you they agree that the class is OP. 

 

I make changes almost weekly with bards. If I do more changes (at the extensity of some suggestions) bards will be worse off than before. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I am glad you decided to give it another go, for sure, but also keep in mind just because you are losing doesn't mean everyone else is. It might be something you are doing or not doing that is the issue and less so the power of the opposing race/class. Personally, I have yet to fight a bard that I've struggled against. Once I figured out what their particular path was about, it wasn't difficult to overcome it. I think you're blaming the class for being overpowered rather than addressing your own failures in PK.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

×
×
  • Create New...