My first impression after come-back

[KRins]

They are literally identical in range btw.  The 13d3 can max at 39 and min at 13.  4d12 maxes at 48 and mins at 4.  It's 9 on both ends.  You ability to math is unimpressive spider.  There is a reason that their averages are the same.  People build crit in League for a reason, spikes are factually FAR more dangerous to aware players than very predictable damage.

If you cannot recall using a polearm but play melees, I would be shocked if they were either berserkers or blms and could be considered successful without a polearm.

You tactically trying to turn the table on me with hyperbole doesn't work either.  You literally have fallacies within fallacies to the point there is no coherence in your statements.  You couldn't keep a debate hot on fire in a volcano. You would come off as repulsive and uneducated, speaking right after Trump calling down international espionage on the country he hopes to run.  I have previously stated there should be real trades in avg damage for more desirable damage nouns while still addressing the fact that norem vs that flag missing is FARRRRRRRR from a balanced comparison. Beyond that... the most flavorful mechanic you can come up with is an ethos restriction, wrath procs, mask of spider fangs effect, or a built in ember?  That's all you've got?  Really?  Where is your outrageously huge polearm with like... 33 avg damage that halves your number of attacks?  That wasn't even the beginning of creative... and it is already more mechanically engaging than any other polearm in the game.   In fact, I would argue if you wanted to make thin-bladed even vaguely in line with hells fury it should be ABOVE the avg damage of Hells Fury.  At least 1 for the socket.  At least another 1 because align is factually a greater restriction than ethos.  So... from what I've seen so far is you are offering me your job, which I gladly accept, and attempting to challenge me to find balance in a single item with massive gaps in the selection for the weapon class?  I use the phrase attempt to challenge because I literally have about 6 concepts in the time it took me to digest your sour af response.  If you are openly admitting you have nothing new to bring, why do we bother with you?  I have fresh ideas for items, classes, cabals, etc.  You... borrowed your character from Gygax.  Bring Anume back, at least she just makes assumptive statements without issuing hollow af "challenges"

[Zoichan]

I'm missing the point where you think that a polearm that can be obtained in less than 10 minutes HAS to be on par or better than a polearm that takes an hour to get with a 3 man group. So again, I ask you. How many average 31 polearms that are norem and burnproof with a socket slot do you want in the game?

[Zoichan]

Also, you're borderline becoming dickish in your posts. If you want to offer constructive critisism, I'm all for it. If you want to be a douche, go play HoN or LoL and call out some 12 year olds.

[KRins]

7 minutes ago, Zoichan said:

Also, you're borderline becoming dickish in your posts. If you want to offer constructive critisism, I'm all for it. If you want to be a douche, go play HoN or LoL and call out some 12 year olds.

I would argue that statement is far better aimed at your spider friend, at least I am dwelling in a world of logic and making real examples instead of simply listing good things and assuming I would want all of them on a weapon you can buy in Val for 5 gold.  Birds of a feather and what not though I guess.  Again... at literally no point did I say, we need avg 31 norem socketed stuff everywhere.  I said we need things that makes us say, hells fury is pretty dope... but this fight calls for... an avg 25 holy weapon instead.  Oh look... we are making trades... we aren't just throwing together every good stat in the book, claiming it is someone else's idea, then using veiled threats to quiet them so they appear to have spoken from your ridiculous, hyperbolic stance.  Again... a very high average damage polearm that removes your last attack be it third, fourth, avatar of steel, whatever.  Oh look, I have once again... created a more interesting polearm than you have in your entire game while not creating a perfect IMM weapon, not utilizing all the flags I would love... and not applying hard numbers so that concepts can be discussed without gross and illogical preconvictions about what I would or would not suggest to make me seem a fool instead of your lot seeming a little... dare I say it, trumptastic? If I wasn't fully aware it would mean nothing, as you are somehow members of the chosen few, I would report your previous post as both offensive and bullying from the staff.  Judge, jury, and street gang all in one.

[Lloth]

Bring this up in prayer forum. Going to lock this post before things get farther out of hand.

[Zoichan]

So...if you need an average 25 holy weapon, lets go with.

Short description: "Masher," the Chieftain's Mace
Long description: A large club is here just waiting to smack someone.
Wear bits: take wield unique
Extra bits: glow bless socketable
Number: 1/1  Weight: 25/25/25 (10th pounds)
Level: 50  Cost: 3  Condition: 100  Timer: 0  Idle: 0
In room: 0  In object: (none)  Carried by: (none)  Wear_loc: -1
Values: 4 10 4 18 0
Weapon type is mace/club
Damage is 10d4 (average 25)
Damage noun is wrath.
Affects hitroll by 3, level 50.
Unique item.

There's a very large chance I'm missing completely what you're talking about. And if I am, you need to make your point in a clearer manner. Perhaps it's getting muddled in your veiled, and not so veiled insults of the staff.

[Anume]

Sad to see this here once again. People, if you want some changes, we are all open for them. You won't get them though by being insulting, literally doing an all round slap in the faces of the staff here and arguing in a very un-adult insulting manner.

If you have an idea or think something is really missing, post a stat proposal.

@F0xx: we've already put in some more gauntlets recently as well as upgraded some old ones. Check them out. If you still think some are missing, post.

@polearm: how often has a melee really tried to disarm you if you dirt kicked them first before they had a look at you? Nodrop is viable as long as you do not spam. Maybe we should change the damage noun of one of the mundane ones to magical though.