Ambroas Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 17 hours ago, egreir said: Did we agree it should be called AIDS? Automatically Induced Disease Skill? I see nothing wrong with it, AIDS it is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 2 hours ago, tassinvegeta said: Sounds like some of those would make nice shadow art affects. Or at least weakened versions of them would, I agree. A shadow arts attack that gives an enemy plague or -50 to any prof would be too strong I think, but -10 or so, especially if it can be applied to more than one skill at a time through successive shadow strikes? That, or perhaps make shadow arts flat out into a weaker, more randomized type of the blm's critical strikes, so that shadow arts attacks have a chance to land various low-level mals? A strike you don't see coming at the head dazes you, leaving you with a thunderclap style effect for a couple ticks, while one at the throat temporarily silences you, etc.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tassinvegeta Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 Currently I think some of the shadow art strikes diminish int and wis which doesn't seem too useful so anything else would be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quicksilver Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Unreliable skill reductions on more generic skills (like meditation, fast healing, third attack) would make for a more attrition like fighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Erelei Posted August 28, 2016 Implementor Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 10 hours ago, tassinvegeta said: Currently I think some of the shadow art strikes diminish int and wis which doesn't seem too useful so anything else would be better. It doesn't even go against int/wis now. Only str/dex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Quote Lotus Scourge Changes - duration increased on poison - lotus scourge poison replaces self-induced poison - lotus scourge ignores resistances to poison - poison will always cause max of 10 damage per pulse- increased negative strength affect from -2 to -8. I think -8 str is a bit over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreir Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 My melees always end up in a suit with like +5str so that would net me a -3....fair. More against mages which is understandable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Makes giant strength worth it vs ninja. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmm Coffee Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Re: Why would you melee someone if you have a full study I think the point is so you can fight without having a full study cuz unless you have tremendous patience, a full study is quite difficult unless you catch someone clan-sitting. I like the changes, esp Lotus Scourge. Never played one before and now I want to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Full study is quite difficult? Please.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tassinvegeta Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 @ Fox there has been a change to study a while back that may not have been widely known. I noticed it when I played a ninja recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tassinvegeta Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 13 hours ago, Erelei said: It doesn't even go against int/wis now. Only str/dex. Holy crap! I don't even know which ninjitsu to play anymore lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 15 minutes ago, tassinvegeta said: @ Fox there has been a change to study a while back that may not have been widely known. I noticed it when I played a ninja recently. Enlighten me please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhurong Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Here comes 5311 ninjas. The cities are going to be empty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambroas Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 *rolls a thief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted August 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Time to start a ninja pet control. Rolling a Vamp applicant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tassinvegeta Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 If the ninja is attacked while studying they'll immediately lose any ticks of study they've gained unless they've previously meditated on it. They'll also will need to re-initiate the syntax. Additionally this can't be done unless they can SEE the opponent. So this eliminates one of my favorite strategies using the dirt flee sleep tactic. A well timed dirt doesn't allow one to re-study someone until they can see again, THEN they have to wait an hour to get that study again (assuming they aren't attacked again.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted August 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 - 6 STR from Nerve and -8 from Lotus, is a bit on top since you cannot save the nerve and I imagine you cannot save the lotus.That's -14 STR. Even if you have a +4 STR bonus, you aren't going anywhere with a -10 STR penalty. Then on top you have a 10 damage per poison tic and long duration. Sounds a lot OP to me. Please make sure one can save this Lotus scourge with maledictive saves, or any not fast hitting class will the totally dominated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 1 hour ago, mya said: - 6 STR from Nerve and -8 from Lotus, is a bit on top since you cannot save the nerve and I imagine you cannot save the lotus.That's -14 STR. Even if you have a +4 STR bonus, you aren't going anywhere with a -10 STR penalty. Then on top you have a 10 damage per poison tic and long duration. Sounds a lot OP to me. Please make sure one can save this Lotus scourge with maledictive saves, or any not fast hitting class will the totally dominated. You can't save that. You will either be strangled and poisoned or you will poison yourself to not be strangled and then be poisoned first try. So prepare yourself to have -14 str modifier in the span of 2 rounds. Zrothum says it's fair though, so I guess we should believe him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Erelei Posted August 29, 2016 Implementor Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 Where did I ever post that poison couldn't be saved against? Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tassinvegeta Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 Yup blindness dust and poison smoke seem to still be affected normally by saves. Though I wonder, shouldn't envenom work with lotus scourge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Erelei Posted August 29, 2016 Implementor Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 Envenom does work with lotus scourge - of the poison lands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tassinvegeta Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 Oh but I used detect magic and noticed the effect from landing it via envenomed throw vs poison smoke were different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 6 hours ago, Erelei said: Where did I ever post that poison couldn't be saved against? Jesus. Quote - lotus scourge ignores resistances to poison I guess this refers to magic resistant races then? My apologies then. But still, -8 str is way over the top. Quote If the ninja is attacked while studying they'll immediately lose any ticks of study they've gained unless they've previously meditated on it. They'll also will need to re-initiate the syntax. It's been like that for a while and it doesn't make studying any more difficult. IMO, if a ninja is attacked, they should lose ALL they've learned, not just that which hasn't been meditated upon. Dancing around your opponent while studying them completely defeats the lore of silent assassin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quicksilver Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 In a fight, you do study someone's tendencies and patterns (boxing and MMA) for timing and range. It makes sense for the level 50 skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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