kamikazi Posted September 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Just to be clear, cause Zrothum is acting high and mighty, despite the fact all he can do is cheat to achieve anything at all... You never even once killed me with your avatar, while I had my items. You have killed me, right after I have been killed by the psi and robbed of malforms and items it does not need. You are both constantly hunting me all the time...together and single player. I log in on my char...two minutes later the psi pops up and finds me immideatly. I am not familiar with psi spells and skills, so I will not speculate on how he does it, but three minutes later you also log in and the stalking and tag teaming tornado begins. I don't need to prove anything anymore, since I am serious about not coming back, but it is a shame that the mud will keep losing people, because of assholes that would sink to the lowest shit, just to get what they want. Also in my opinion...you should have not been allowed to play an avatar, right after you deleted a demon which you got in three days and played for one day at pinnacle, before deleting and whining for shit that happened to you. I have had immortals lecturing me all the time that q-stuff are a commitment and they should be cherished by the player and held in higher standarts...I still cannot comprehend the fact how a cheating and all around abusing person like you is allowed all of this. Okay...you got great RP, but you are ruining the game for a lot of people with your shit and it is visible you don't give the slightest fuck about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 qraces, ESPECIALLY undead, come with a laundry list of challenges. They are FAR from "i win" buttons and come with unique well known vulns, and hard coded enemies. They are given very little refuge if at all from being tagged (if that even occured), because they are expected to hold their own in all aspects of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreir Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Two very active players who I assume have day jobs log on and off all the time....I can see how you would think that is OOC. But it isn't. And I hope you do come back, and get decked. We'll have our battle. I am aggressive no matter what i play...bmage savant, human dk uncabaled, ogre avatar uncabaled. Being very aggressive and very active, well, I deal with my own issues, believe me. Let's be honest here, you're not leaving. You really think you can compete at the highest level of PK...you're just like me, 10 years ago. One day you'll be shitting on everyone just like you're being shit on right now and wonder why everyone hates you for shitting on them lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zavero Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 I always figure out who you play Zrothum.. I mean not 100% sure but just because I recall how aggressive you played back then. Not a bad thing at all and I wouldn't change it. I just know I want to avoid you or I may die because of your relentlessness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreir Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 My chars usually are pretty recognizable. I'm always looking to PK. I can fight anyone 1v1...and I do. But I also won't let my mortal enemy off the hook just because he recalled from another fight (Deshaan) and I won't let an Undead unghost and get his armor back that I actually need. I'm not perfect, never claimed to be. I have some issues I struggle with and being an asshole is one of them apparently. I log into this game because it helps deal with the frustrations and aggravations I deal with IRL. We all have our reasons to play here. We all find fun in different ways. My "fun" is unloading the stress of my day into a bitter, killing machine. Is that against the rules? No...but it does make me one of the most disliked people here and as a person, I am sorry for that. Anyone who has talked to me for years knows who I am and I am a very rational, logical, decent person. It just doesn't translate through my characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamikazi Posted September 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Oh...I am leaving. You can be sure of that. No matter that I don't want to...no matter that I love the game. I AM leaving. I don't want to stick around and see people getting things they do not deserve...people getting custom shit, because of RP, that would trample anyone in their path. Can you not notice the trend? As more custom stuff are being implemented to characters, the more problems occur. I cannot do anything more, but suggest anymore and I don't think my suggestions would reach anyone at all. I know I have been a pain in the ass for the Imms and I have been given a lot of chances to act cool and stop my rage and cussing issues, but I am just like that. When I am wronged and I see nothing done about it, I try to take matters into my hands and at least try to make the people to do the wrong shit think twice, before doing them again. Guess ALL that has brought me is the hate of the Imms and half the Pbase. A matter of fact...I had learned my lesson and I had stopped with my OOC in game outbursts for almost an year, until this shit happened. I just don't get it why would the Imms be happy to keep someone who is being trashy all the time and even encourage him, by giving him all he wants, and would rather loose someone who only breaks down when being wronged and nothing is done about it. I can give a list of the people leaving, because of zrothum. I am adding myself to that list as well. You can clearly notice the trend by yourselves...all of his characters have been involved in the break down of other players. Think about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreir Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 I'm the same way. 16 years down the road I've learned to not cuss or go OOC, not fight the IMMs, etc. If I could count how many times I've "left" or how many forum handles I've had... edit: All of my characters have been the break down of others players? Who left because of Llothoria? Who left because of Terrokant (who you said was only pinn for a day anyway) That's just your anger talking. Just take the day to cool off, we'll see you in the fray again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 I am still trying to figure out what happened lol. Sounds like you got beat so you're mad... I also don't understand why you're hating on one player either, I've fought Zroth on dozens of occasions over the years, won some, lost some, always had a blast. He's looted me, I looted him. Its just a constant go around. Nobody is cheating.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_nightmare Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 24 minutes ago, Anume said: My personal 2ct on this one: I've never or very very seldom looted someone heavily on Thulgan bc that just means they stop playing and you get to sit around alone with nobody to fight. If you try to destroy a character fully by frustrating the player behind the character (repeated sacred / malform weapon saccs, repeated full lootes, unnecessary gangs / tags), you just make them go away and end up alone. I've also said this before, but I am very opposed to unnecessarying tagging or ganging, aka 2 stronger chars killing one weaker one they could each handle alone. This is my personal view on the matter. Exactly this is what i am saying all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Anume Posted September 6, 2016 Implementor Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 @Nightmare You made me quit a dk waaaay back after you sacced my malform (level 2-5 maybe?) for the 3rd time in 1 week. So yeah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamikazi Posted September 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 I have left a lot myself and have had a few other forum handles, but this time I am really leaving for good. With the player base that has remained, people would excpect that we would be classy and not act like we don't care that someone is getting fucked over countless times, but apparently we are not. I am not a flower myself, but I can say with a clear concious, that I have not full looted anyone in five years. No matter how hard the fight is...no matter he would come and fight me again. I only loot the things I need, exactly because I want to fight said person again. Looting someone constantly and acting like shit, destroying all he has worked hard for has no place in such a small pbase and in my opinion all who do it are shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreir Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Anume probably doesn't remember this, but back in the days of ICQ messenger, I almost really quit for good. Was I think during the time of Loucheran. One of her pep talks made me stay. So you can all blame her lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Anume Posted September 6, 2016 Implementor Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Loucheran was a beast, annihiliated me too a few times hehe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 hah, Anume calling you out son. I always end up getting looted when I die for 50% of my gear or more. Heck on Rathanous I was full looted over and over, was in cabal outfit for a while even. That being said I tend to sweep 3 - 4 items up, distribute some to people I know need gear mostly, whenever I get a PK. I usually only significantly loot when I need gear myself and am spring boarding. Usually when I get full looted I see it as now having something more to do next time I login. I have full looted someone once recently, but they didn't leave for it so I am safe? Felt kind of guilty really. On the flip[ side I died on one of my characters recently too and lost a ton of HARD to get gear. That is life in the ole'FL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Erelei Posted September 6, 2016 Implementor Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 So, here's what I wanna throw out there: This unspoken rule of not looting, taking only what you need, only killing people who are worthy of a PK (regardless of ethos/align) .. is exactly that. Unspoken, unenforced. The moment everyone understands that you can be looted, killed, full looted, trashed (IE, completely destroyed in PK) etc, is the moment everyone has a better day and this crap about pointing fingers, claiming OOC, and claiming 'trashy behavior' ends. Every time someone says "Oh he's trash because he full looted me" or "he killed me and knew I sucked, so he's OOC", etc, I completely discredit everything they say or will say afterward. Just stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_nightmare Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 6 minutes ago, Anume said: @Nightmare You made me quit a dk waaaay back after you sacced my malform (level 2-5 maybe?) for the 3rd time in 1 week. So yeah... This was so long before. I have changed soo much since then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreir Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Just now, the_nightmare said: This was so long before. I have changed soo much since then I for one like you a lot more these days But then again, I'm not sure we've been on opposites sides lately....might have to change that lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Just now, Erelei said: This unspoken rule of not looting, taking only what you need, only killing people who are worthy of a PK (regardless of ethos/align) .. is exactly that. Unspoken, unenforced. The moment everyone understands that you can be looted, killed, full looted, trashed (IE, completely destroyed in PK) etc, is the moment everyone has a better day and this crap about pointing fingers, claiming OOC, and claiming 'trashy behavior' ends. Yeah, this right here says it. You die, your stuff is theirs. That is the unpsoken rule really. If they decide you get to keep it, then consider yourself lucky. If you are worried about losing your stuff then run guild quests, save up some CP and make sure you have insurance. In a cabal cant you bind your malform with cp so you cant lose it? I mean there are mechanics in the game that you can use. Expecting someone not to loot you because they do not need the items though is just going to make you mad. I know lots of people who loot some things just to give them to their allies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Anume Posted September 6, 2016 Implementor Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 I still say there is a difference between ic behavior and playing just to ruin someone else's day / character. If we think someone is crossing that line, we will usually have a talk to them. This may be ic at first, but it may become ooc if we do not see any improvements. In the end, it comes back to classy behavior and sportsmanship if you want to have an opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamikazi Posted September 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 2 minutes ago, Erelei said: So, here's what I wanna throw out there: This unspoken rule of not looting, taking only what you need, only killing people who are worthy of a PK (regardless of ethos/align) .. is exactly that. Unspoken, unenforced. The moment everyone understands that you can be looted, killed, full looted, trashed (IE, completely destroyed in PK) etc, is the moment everyone has a better day and this crap about pointing fingers, claiming OOC, and claiming 'trashy behavior' ends. Every time someone says "Oh he's trash because he full looted me" or "he killed me and knew I sucked, so he's OOC", etc, I completely discredit everything they say or will say afterward. Just stop. Dude...I know you two are buddies, but you really need to stop defending him. He freaking full looted me, without fighting me at all. And I already know what you gonna say.."I'm not biased, blah blah"...but you certainly are. Otherwise he wouldn't have been getting all he wants after acting like shit. I'm done with the matter. I don't really have anything else to say, but advise that you stop defending some and attacking others. IT IS CLEAR that you are doing it, no matter what you say. And I am going to speak clearly, because this time I don't really care for how long you ban me for speaking my opinion and calling out the shit that is around. YOU ARE biased. YOU NEED to change. No one else has the nerve to say it, but it is true. You are encouraging the so called "Vets", who claim to be so skilled in PK that no one can touch them, after they have gathered their GODLY suits with the help of others and have custom spells and skills, most of which no one hears, or knows about. Tell me...How is someone like me, with no custom shit...who works hard to achieve anything at all, supposed to compete with guys in GOD suits who have a let's say permanent +30hit/dam bonus naked? How am I not supposed to get frustrated, when I wait for a freaking month, RP-ing my ass off with my limited RP skills and when asks what's happening with my app gets told "You are impatient. You need to wait another month" and a someone who is a "Vet" and throws aways quest races/classes like toilet paper, is allowed another quest thing three days after deleting a quest thing he got in three days and played at pinnacle for one? YOU ARE BIASED. No matter what you say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Wait whose currently out there that has custom stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreir Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 " He freaking full looted me, without fighting me at all. " A victim of bad timing and circumstance. You had gear that I needed. How is it any different than if someone teleported and died...you got to their corpse first and looted? I didn't loot you out of spite, I looted you out of necessity. At the time I was in basics. I've had a few gear trips since then so I can't remember everything you had that i used, but it was A LOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatMike Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 6 minutes ago, Kyzarius said: Wait whose currently out there that has custom stuff? I get custom ass-whippings all the time, does that count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamikazi Posted September 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 You were constantly running around after anyone the Psi fights...tag teaming at times...tiring the psi's opponent...burning trough their consumables. Okay...Let's leave your trashy behaviour aside and hypoteticaly accept what you did is okay...Why did you destroy my malform? Did you have the right to do it, when you could not do shit to me and had to wait for someone else to do it? Dude...I was even kicking your ass in cabal outfit and a withering scythe after you full looted me. You are pathetic and your shit will continue to be encouraged for no comprehensable reason at all. Tell me...How would it be, if you had to work your way trough like everyone else does? If you had to get your items by yourself? You would be shit, mate. Complete shit, cause everyone would have better stuff and beat you to a pulp, as I was doing and I am sure I still can, if it wasnt for the psi, hutning me all the time, destroying malforms and items all the time out of spite? And I am sure that psi has custom shit. You just can't make me believe a psi has the ability to freaking dispel magic to everyone in the room from first try all the time. You can't make me believe a psi can cast so many spells at me, without having to meditate on them, before hand. I have fought a lot of Psi's before. None were like this one. Not even Wyslign, who was a beast. Who has custom stuff you ask? What about the people we see, running around with shadow auras? Invokers having curse? Crusaders having minister? Nah...no one has custom shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celerity Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Just remember, there is always a bigger fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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