Goodbye for good.

[kamikazi]

4 minutes ago, Lloth said:

Memnon isn't the first character you've broken RP with. It's just the one that would normally get a denial for breaking RP. Qrace, and all.

Tag teaming and ganging and overall poor behaviour, is not reason enough for denial of a q-thing? I think you have no idea what you're talking about, mister.

[egreir]

1 minute ago, kamikazi said:

An undead syndi dk that fights ten people at once all the time? Is your statement supposed to mean something at all? An undead syndi dkn who has been actively hunted by everyone in tags and groups all the time? Really? Dude...I don't suck THAT bad. I have had successful characters with a positive K/D ratio. Think you could do better with my Dk than me when each and every time I log on, two minutes after you follow me with a psi and an avatar? You're welcome to try...I'll give you my pass straith away.

No one is saying you are not at a disadvantage.  Before all this crap started between you and me, when I used to see Memnon log in, I was like man, that dudes has some serious balls playing that combo right now.

You are playing against some very serious odds...is it really a surprise you're having problems? I don't mean that to sound mean, I'm just saying.  

[Kyzarius]

I've been there though.  With nearly every character I have rolled in the past few years.  I will post a Rathanous log when I get done running. 

[egreir]

8 minutes ago, kamikazi said:

Tag teaming and ganging and overall poor behaviour, is not reason enough for denial of a q-thing? I think you have no idea what you're talking about, mister.

Not since the PK rules got lifted....although those will probably be back very very soon.

 

I'm still Hope Inductee and got told I'm probably not going to be getting cabaled anytime soon.   My actions have had consequences. Maybe not the ones you wanted to see, but the IMMs have made it clear they haven't enjoyed my characters PK behavior.

[Manual Labour]

I feel your anguish Kamikazi. I have rage deleted more pinnacled characters probably than any two other players combined.

It is always the same thing too, I have expectations of how others should act...Big mistake obviously. Sometimes I don't even know why I keep coming back either...

The fact is there are some people here who genuinely get off on this. Watching you rage in game then on the forums actually makes them happy.

The worst part is the only thing close to justice you will ever get is in game revenge, but for people (like me) who don't want to sac the cabal armor of a moderate character they 2 rounded with a broken pre-nerf spell, well then you are just shit out of luck because if you don't stoop to their level you aren't playing the game.

This game is obviously not for everyone, in fact this game is for the vast minority, just count the entire playerbase on your fingers and toes.

[kamikazi]

I'm really done pointing fingers and name calling and all. I ain't coming back. At least not until the Imms decide to finally clear the trash and put up some credible rules and stuff, that would not leave half of the pbase at a disadvantage to the other half. And from what is happening, we see certain power houses rolled, destroying all opposition, and said opposition rolling same aligned chars, or neutrals to avoid being destroyed. Fuck that. There should be balance. BALANCE. Not three, or four people destroying everything in their path, not caring about consequences and all.

And Zrothum...I'm sure you don't give a shit about any consequences to your avatar, since you know that you can just throw that away, when things are not going in your favour, and you would get another quest thing in three days. So fuck that. Last quest thing I got...I waited for a month and a half...The demon I got before that...which was two years before that...I waited two, or three months. The Imms are spitting in all our faces by giving you quest thing after another when you are discarding them like toys and they preach to players like me all the time, what a commitment they are and what standarts need to be upheld. Fuck that.

[FatMike]

2 minutes ago, Manual Labour said:

 

It is always the same thing too, I have expectations of how others should act...Big mistake obviously. Sometimes I don't even know why I keep coming back either...

The worst part is the only thing close to justice you will ever get is in game revenge, but for people (like me) who don't want to sac the cabal armor of a moderate character they 2 rounded with a broken pre-nerf spell, well then you are just shit out of luck because if you don't stoop to their level you aren't playing the game.

Definitely don't put your beliefs/actions you would commit on other people and expect the same, that will lead to nothing but disappointment.

And I disagree with the last sentence, its not "the" game its "their" game. So don't play their game, play yours. And if yours is taking the so-called "high road" then take it. If it means being a shit, then be one.

[egreir]

7 minutes ago, kamikazi said:

I'm really done pointing fingers and name calling and all. I ain't coming back. At least not until the Imms decide to finally clear the trash and put up some credible rules and stuff, that would not leave half of the pbase at a disadvantage to the other half. And from what is happening, we see certain power houses rolled, destroying all opposition, and said opposition rolling same aligned chars, or neutrals to avoid being destroyed. Fuck that. There should be balance. BALANCE. Not three, or four people destroying everything in their path, not caring about consequences and all.

And Zrothum...I'm sure you don't give a shit about any consequences to your avatar, since you know that you can just throw that away, when things are not going in your favour, and you would get another quest thing in three days. So fuck that. Last quest thing I got...I waited for a month and a half...The demon I got before that...which was two years before that...I waited two, or three months. The Imms are spitting in all our faces by giving you quest thing after another when you are discarding them like toys and they preach to players like me all the time, what a commitment they are and what standarts need to be upheld. Fuck that.

You're being overly dramatic. Throwing them away like toys?  You're talking about Terrokant.  ONE CHARACTER.  And it wasn't just like oh wow I think I'll roll an avatar today instead. There were reasons I gave up the character.

 

I was extremely surprised, just like you, how quickly I get the Demon...and the Avatar.  I chalked it up to IMMs trying to be quicker for the players recently as I've seen quick turn arounds for a lot of q-apps lately. Also because each of them had, what I felt like, pretty unique RPs  I have had q-apps take months before as well.  Kudos to the IMMs for making an effort in the game to not make people wait quite that long anymore.  We have a current staff that is by far the most responsive, most open to criticism and suggestions, that we have ever had.  

 

You're acting like I threw away the demon on a whim, then got another q thing, and then another. I can understand your frustration and your exaggerating to try to prove your point, but it's just simply not true.

 

You're right though, I don't give a shit what happens to Grakk or Terrokant or any of my characters. And if you want me to delete Grakk in order for you to stay, I'll do that.  Not because I don't care about the rules or the players or IMMs, not because I think I'll get another q-thing, not because of any other reason than A) I do care about this game and the people who play it (unless your name is f0xx) and B ) I don't need a q thing to be successful.

[Manual Labour]

Sadly the "high road" gets you nowhere in FL. Rolling the most powerful possible combos and causing other players the most possible grief is exactly how you get ahead in this game.

Every single person who has faded away from this game over the last decade has pretty much said the same thing "amazing game, trash pbase".

[kamikazi]

Said I'm done with name calling, but you're just forcing me....

YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT!

And I couldn't care less about your characters. I could not care less if you play, or delete. It's just the behaviour you bring and shit storms you create, that would never cease, until action has been taken on the Imm side. I am sure we can all clearly see that A) You don't give a fuck about the people playing this game, otherwise you wouldn't do the shit you do, and B ) You can hardly be successful with any character, if you are not being trash and try to do things the normal way.

In my opinion, you have had strong character, only cause all the things you've gotten, you've gotten in the same trashy way and no action has been taken about it at all. All the malforms you've fed, have been fed asking people to log on with weak chars, so that you can kill them to feed your malforms. All the items you've had pre-50, you've gotten asking someone to get for you. We all know your shit, so it's fucking hilarious seeing you act like Mother Teresa.

Word.

[Kyzarius]

Wow.  That is some serious paranoia right there. 

[Tantangel]

I highly suggest taking a brief break, there's no point in leaving entirely unless it's affecting your personal life very negatively. My breaks were mostly because I was playing too much and I would be playing like 12+ hours a day on days I should be doing other things (like homework when I was going to school or spending time with people). In this instance, you shouldn't run entirely, just take a week or more off and when you come back, play a character you're not used to. I suggest a Bard, they're interesting though I wish they still had some of their old things back like Identify because I didn't know it was nixed in the reboot. Otherwise though, try to refrain from blowing up after a death. I honestly have taken an aloof outlook upon life in general. If I die, I die, there's no reason to be pissed. In my personal life, I'm pretty care free except when one of my coworkers wants to make it his personal mission for the night to piss me off, then the asshole starts laughing, I start screaming and in the end I'm looking at memes I made of him and sending it to him or posting videos he sends to me of himself on YouTube. Find something that will help alleviate your anger, it works wonders. And if you're getting tagged by specific people, just find a way to do the same in return to return the favor.

[FatMike]

1 minute ago, Kyzarius said:

Wow.  That is some serious paranoia right there. 

I'm thinking the same thing. 

[egreir]

See ya in 6 months, I'm sorry I've caused you this much frustration.

[FatMike]

I need to know this circle of OOCness. It is a moral imperative. 

[Kyzarius]

Sorry Mike you're just to phat

[Pali]

I support the take a break to cool off advice.  I would also suggest that your next char, if you return, not be an evil, a qrace, or caballed.  An unaligned good or neut doesn't have the bullseye painted on them the way an undead Syndicate dk does and will allow a much more relaxed experience of the game.. You might think this sounds boring, but you can keep it from being so by RPing aggressively, having challenge fights with Warmasters, exploring areas you don't know well, trying to solo big mobs, etc. The last time I did this gave me the most fulfilling character I've yet played here, and I've been off-and-on playing since nearly the beginning of FL.

[Aulian]

You have to play what's fun and I don't think a dk is fun at the moment. 

Play something without boundaries. Shit play something you don't care during about with like a ranger when it's so easy to get eq. 

Maybe play something more survivable like a druegar or drow cleric. 

 

@Zrothum stop egging him on. He's clearly upset. Sometime not saying anything is more helpful. Those of us who know you know you're not the ass you're pretending to be.... 

[mya]

1 hour ago, kamikazi said:

You were constantly running around after anyone the Psi fights...tag teaming at times...tiring the psi's opponent...burning trough their consumables. Okay...Let's leave your trashy behaviour aside and hypoteticaly accept what you did is okay...Why did you destroy my malform? Did you have the right to do it, when you could not do shit to me and had to wait for someone else to do it? Dude...I was even kicking your ass in cabal outfit and a withering scythe after you full looted me. You are pathetic and your shit will continue to be encouraged for no comprehensable reason at all. Tell me...How would it be, if you had to work your way trough like everyone else does? If you had to get your items by yourself? You would be shit, mate. Complete shit, cause everyone would have better stuff and beat you to a pulp, as I was doing and I am sure I still can, if it wasnt for the psi, hutning me all the time, destroying malforms and items all the time out of spite? And I am sure that psi has custom shit. You just can't make me believe a psi has the ability to freaking dispel magic to everyone in the room from first try all the time. You can't make me believe a psi can cast so many spells at me, without having to meditate on them, before hand. I have fought a lot of Psi's before. None were like this one. Not even Wyslign, who was a beast. 

Who has custom stuff you ask?

What about the people we see, running around with shadow auras? Invokers having curse? Crusaders having minister? Nah...no one has custom shit.

1) You just can't make me believe a psi has the ability to freaking dispel magic to everyone in the room from first try all the time. They can, just not all the time. There are balances on this, or it would be OP.

2) You can't make me believe a psi can cast so many spells at me, without having to meditate on them, before hand. I have fought a lot of Psi's before. None were like this one. Not even Wyslign, who was a beast. They can, but not all spells. As said here this was a public change years ago (not 2, but 5+), it's balanced in a way, as said, that it burns mana. You can go out of mana trying to blast through an Ogres HP this way.

I can't say I haven't seen some weird things on other stuffs, but this two concerns are consistent with known game mechanics.

When I saw someone getting a Undead DK, the first thing that went to my mind was: "Poor bastard, I give him two weeks before he rage deletes."
It's an extremely high wire combo, that was rolled in at a very unfavorable time. Sad, but true.

[Cydare]

Okay okay okay.  We're here, listening, and important points have been noted, but this thread is kind of toxic now.  Let's settle back, adjust our chairs a little, get an Arizona iced tea or something, shake it out, do some jumping jacks, whatever, and get back to the game.

[Volgathras]

I will not speak to the point of this post. Instead, I'll express my regret over the content.

I am saddened by the fact that you feel so wronged with the game and its players. However, I am more upset over the reaction the community had. I cannot expect you all to suffer abuses, but I do know that you're better people than to verbally assault a member of our family. Disagreements arise, and sometimes people are difficult to talk to. It's actually a wonderful thing that this game can incite such strong reactions in people. But let's remember that it's a shared hobby.

Later in the thread there was more constructive criticism, which is good. It was an interesting read, psychologically. Unfortunately it shows that our initial reaction is anger, and abuse. We're better than that.