Nictis

[Magick]

 

Back on topic, though.  Didn't interact with Nictis much.  Once actually.  Sorry to see you go.

[egreir]

I wish I could pat you on the head like the special child you are.  I've never heard of you until these last few months. So you're missing a lot of history apparently.

 

The coolest things Ive been given in this game were long before Erelei was even close to being on the staff.  So if you want to cry about me getting special items and special custom made skill/spell or whatever else...you should probably talk to the other staff....I guess they all just love me? That must be it lol

 

You dislike me SOOOO much you can't even fathom the possibility that I have been given some of the coolest things in the game because I have earned them. They have come from MULTIPLE imms.  There is no single imm out there watching over me, chatting with me OOC, and giving me things.  You are one of a few people here who despise me beyond rational concept, which is fine, I love everyone, even my haters. But for you to actually think I get special treatment in this game...comical.

[Lloth]

Both of you, chill out. If you don't like each other, don't talk to each other. 

[Zavero]

Kamikazi, I will give it up to you that Behrath was role played well from interacting with you on more than one character. As such, if I were you I would avoid the forums all together and just focus on the game if you truly want to play and not get caught up in all this drama. I personally get caught up in the forums at times and it makes me dislike the game when I do.

[Trick]

FL has such a toxic community. Its really, really frustrating that such a small group of people can be so nasty to one another.

There are many reasons to leave this game and to quit playing it. Time, PK, RP, rage-deletes, boredom, and even just feeling like a character is finished, but none of these will keep a player away like this community can. And I am part of this community, something I am becoming increasingly ashamed of the longer I am here and the more I read posts and the more I reply to them.(I'm part of the problem as well.)

League of Legends is said to have one of the most toxic communities in a game, but I really believe the 10-15(maybe?) of us could easily challenge the thousands of players playing LoL for the worst community on the internet.

Damn near every single thread falls into this type of behavior. I'm truly surprised this place is still up given how nasty and down right mean we are to one another..

 

[Pali]

1 hour ago, kamikazi said:

Cause I know that I'm going to be judged for my past outbursts on the forums and in game. No point...even as the years pass, I will still be told "But you know that you will have to wait longer and put even a bigger effort, because ten years ago you did blah and blah". No point, buddy.

I've personally always found RPing well to be its own reward, and more enjoyable when done for its own sake than if you only see it as something you do to earn something.  My most fun moments with Vaelrasa were when I'd confuse people by having her personalities argue with each other in front of them.

[FatMike]

42 minutes ago, Zavero said:

As such, if I were you I would avoid the forums all together and just focus on the game if you truly want to play and not get caught up in all this drama. I personally get caught up in the forums at times and it makes me dislike the game when I do.

Me too

[Kyzarius]

47 minutes ago, egreir said:

 They have come from MULTIPLE imms. 

You bitch! Their mine! 

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[Lloth]

Now you two must fight to the death for my favor. 

 

 

Back on topic...

Sorry to see Nictis go. Great, solid attempt. I think maybe you were a little impatient, but I don't think that kind of thing should get in the way of giving props when they are due. 

[the_nightmare]

I never gave up because ninjas were toned down. If i remember correctly i even helped with toning them and throwing ideas. I will be around in the forums, so i can still help with giving out ideas. Anume , i just said that non english speaker can hardly achieve anything that can be achieved with an ease. The game is just not for me. It requires a lot of time to develop a toon, no drama.

[Trick]

I loved fighting Nictis as Belderon. We had some insanely close battles that went down to the wire. There were several times when a single hit would have sealed my death!! I wish I had more time to sit and talk to Nictis, but as the new strong Watcher you had to push the PK aspect a bit more. I get the necessity to do that, for sure. Don't discount your RP skills. 

I respect anyone that makes the decision to let a character go so long as that decision is not done for negative reasons. Solid "toon".

[Ulmusdorn]

12 hours ago, kamikazi said:

Ok...truth is we've seen people getting elders with no RP at all....at least none that has been seen by anyone other but the Imms. I liked a phrase I read in another thread - Not saying anything...just saying.

I know why I wasnt getting eldered, no matter I was RPing all the time with people, no matter thr fact it is actually OOC to be judging a character, because of forum posts. I don't get why wasn't he given Elder, when we've seen tons of those with no RP whatsoever.

 

I can't help but feel this is directed at me. So I'll respond

If I had judged your character OOC I would never had invested so much time into you. Think about how much time I did spend with you - I thought helping you but apparently it was just denying you Elder in the process. 

Nictis: As I explained to Nictis in person, he needed to do certain things for me. Basically it was tasks designed around interacting with OTHER PEOPLE playing the mud - Asked for notes and interactions. They never came. It was there on the table for him to take. He didn't. Again: Horses. Water. All that.

 

11 hours ago, Enethier said:

For you, it is your RP. I am not trying to be mean, rude, or publicly shame you. But I believe that being blunt is necessary more often than not. I have never, personally, seen you play a character that made me want to learn more about them. Your RP, to you, is about you. That should never be the focus. It's the easiest RP to write, but the hardest RP to get anything meaningful out of. When you play a multi-player game, the focus of your RP cannot be on you or your character. It needs to be on the external (the environment, other players, current politics, pressing global/regional issues). Behrath and Nictis were both very fearsome opponents, but very forgettable characters.
 

If you take nothing else from this forum post. Consider this advice and grow from it.

 

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Anyway this is a deletion thread about Nictis, who was a well played character and a tremendous effort in RP by a guy who hates RP. I give him props for making the effort and I say shame on you for not encouraging him to continue to improve in that aspect, cause he really wanted to. Giving him the position would've kept the character interesting and making him further improve, in order to aim for a Leaders position. Just my opinion.

 

I think it really should be said that the effort from RP was really put in. However as I spoke to Nictis directly about this. He put a huge amount of effort into his journals etc however this RP NEVER EVER spilled into his RP time on the mud. I tried to point him in the right direction but this advice did have the right effect. 

As an elder you are required to have an impact RP-wise on the player base and within the cabal. If the player base says your RP was unmemorable then that should be enough feedback on why you did not reach Elder yet.

 

10 hours ago, kamikazi said:

 I CAN have extraordinairy RP if I want to and I also can take down all of the high and mighty "vets" in PK if I set my mind onto it. 

I cannot comprehend why you wouldn't. You're literally talking about "winning the mud".

 

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I give him props for making the effort and I say shame on you for not encouraging him to continue to improve in that aspect, cause he really wanted to. Giving him the position would've kept the character interesting and making him further improve, in order to aim for a Leaders position. Just my opinion.

Im sorry but flat out that isn't how it works. You ACHIEVE things here. You're not going to be handed something and then we'll see if you get it right. 

 

So much of my time went into Behrath and Nictis. Much more then you realise I think. If EITHER of you had earned it, you would of had it - literally. 

 

To finish off. Nictis - great character. Great efforts with your RP and all those journals. I would suggest this next step - make your journal RP a real thing in the mud. If its about your past fine - but if its literally the present (like talking about being a Watcher whilst its happening) it has to be brought to life outside of your journals. Or its not RP... Its story time.

If you take what you learnt on this and apply it to your next and take that next step - sky is the limit.

I had fun - I hope you did too.

 

 

 

 

[the_nightmare]

Do you think that this game is about achieving things? Your mind is so broken and twisted like every other immortal here. I am not surpised the game is dying. The game is about having fun and if you are doing well you get rewards. Like every single MMO over the internet. Only you think that I should deserve your attention and blessing so my character must advance forward. I had 140RP points 200 hours and actively helped the cabal/newbies and so on. I never get past T so did Behrath. You kept wanting more and more and more. This is why I decided to delete and understood that the game is not right for me. Your attitude is just completely wrong and twisted about how this game works and what is it supposed to be.

I will point as an example Belforian. The guy that I saw running for a week uncabaled when he fullfiled all the requirements about getting into Tribunal. He waited one week to get cabaled just because Zoichan had broken arm or something. Are we in the stone age ffs? Is it that hard for another immortal to just grant an entrance to Tribunal for Belforian? I don't like this attitude and this behavior about getting things : waiting endless hours=success. Thats why I am taking my leave.

[Ulmusdorn]

Our opinions differ then. 

What I wanted has never changed. Of all the hours you logged, I was always there. The amount of time you just sat in your cabal, even when I had tasked you with things was impressive.  You did not influence the world around you. People in this thread have indicated that your character was 'forgettable' - this is the voice of the people. 

Unfortunately in my cabal forgettable won't cut it. Good luck with the next.

 

17 hours ago, Pali said:

I've personally always found RPing well to be its own reward, and more enjoyable when done for its own sake than if you only see it as something you do to earn something.

 

19 hours ago, Enethier said:

For you, it is your RP. I am not trying to be mean, rude, or publicly shame you. But I believe that being blunt is necessary more often than not. I have never, personally, seen you play a character that made me want to learn more about them. Your RP, to you, is about you. That should never be the focus. It's the easiest RP to write, but the hardest RP to get anything meaningful out of. When you play a multi-player game, the focus of your RP cannot be on you or your character. It needs to be on the external (the environment, other players, current politics, pressing global/regional issues). Behrath and Nictis were both very fearsome opponents, but very forgettable characters.

[Aulian]

29 minutes ago, the_nightmare said:

I will point as an example Belforian. The guy that I saw running for a week uncabaled when he fullfiled all the requirements about getting into Tribunal. He waited one week to get cabaled just because Zoichan had broken arm or something. Are we in the stone age ffs? Is it that hard for another immortal to just grant an entrance to Tribunal for Belforian? I don't like this attitude and this behavior about getting things : waiting endless hours=success. Thats why I am taking my leave.

 

Anyone else find it ironic that the player of Balforian doesn't have an issue? 

From my limited experience I am sure when told that an immortal literally broke a bone, they were happy to wait a week.

I don't think you understand that getting into THAT cabal means passing an exam? The imm has to be around to take the exam.....

Maybe you should focus inward instead of pointing out possible non-issues with other peoples characters.

[the_nightmare]

12 minutes ago, Ulmusdorn said:

Our opinions differ then. 

What I wanted has never changed. Of all the hours you logged, I was always there. The amount of time you just sat in your cabal, even when I had tasked you with things was impressive.  You did not influence the world around you. People in this thread have indicated that your character was 'forgettable' - this is the voice of the people. 

Unfortunately in my cabal forgettable won't cut it. Good luck with the next.

You need some serious medications.

 

 

[Anume]

Please stop insulting and abusing my staff. If I see one more instance of this, I'll permban you. Only warning.

 

As to Balforian: I clan allowed him. He did not wait a week, I don't think. Then I've waited over a month to get caballed on my own chars and had no problem with this either. Not being caballed does not mean you can't play the game, develop your character, have fun.

As I've said before FL is not a shooter game, so I tend to agree with you that this game just isn't for you.

 

[kamikazi]

3 hours ago, Ulmusdorn said:

Our opinions differ then. 

What I wanted has never changed. Of all the hours you logged, I was always there. The amount of time you just sat in your cabal, even when I had tasked you with things was impressive.  You did not influence the world around you. People in this thread have indicated that your character was 'forgettable' - this is the voice of the people. 

 

 

If by the voice of the people you mean the opinion of just one guy then, oh my...

[kamikazi]

Im taking Zavero's advice and avoiding the forums from now on. You people tend to stick to you theories, even when they are obviously wrong. You also silence everyone who opens his mouth and speaks the truth in your eyes, and tries to make suggestions that would improve the game environment and attract new players. The game is dying, because of your mentality and that of a few people, who would go to any extent and attack anyone, just to lick Immortal ass...Like they are going to get a treat, or something. You have 15 people actively playing at most and all you're doing is making more and more leave one by one with this behaviour. At the end in here we will only see 10 Imms and 2 ass kissers. Take it as you wish...it's the truth.

[Anume]

Kami, it wasn't the staff who started the abuse and calling names here. We do not silence different opinions, if we were, we'd have to delete a lot of posts. What we do aim for is a discussion in a mature and polite way.

[kamikazi]

I did not mean your post above. I meant it as a whole. Everytime i try to make a suggestion, I get attacked by some people and I snap, trying to defend myself. At the end, I am the one with posting restrictions. It is all coming from the fact, that you cling to the little things in my posts...like my way of expressing myself and completely disregard the constructive things I am trying to point out and suggest. Have you not noticed that only a few even bother posting at all? There are lots of ways to improve the game...you just need to stop demanding so much and open up the full aspect of the game even to those who don't do so well in RP and PK. I am sure we would see a lot more people interested in coming back and bringing new people even, if you strip those insane requirements you are putting on everything in this game. It is a game for Christ sake...it is not real life. And no...trn vampires running around after each other won't be boring at all if you ask me. Nor would cabal leaders being swapped every month. This way a bigger number of people would get to experience it all. It would in no way hurt the RP...you can get different skills and items with RP, so it would still be there. This is just my opinion. Do whatever you want...it is your game, but it is obviously dying and I would hate for the place I've enjoyed for so many years to disappear.

[Anume]

The way you make a proposal does matter. This is not only the case here, but also in real life. People are simply less likely to listen to you if you insult them or behave in an abusive way. It is not true though, that we disregard all your suggestions, even if they are mostly presented very unfavourably. I've talked with other staff before about posts, asking them to disregard the cussing, bad language, insults, abuse and just think about the idea. It is sad however, that this is necessary.

[Kyzarius]

Man, you just want everything but don't want to earn it.

 

I'm sorry.  Makes me mad to read kami's posts lambasting the staff when if you just play the game and follow the rules they are infinitely flexible.  And will reward you constantly. 

Ulmusdorn laid out comprehensive steps, gave you tasks to complete in game.  You just refused to do them.  Kami, You even said you don't bother rping.  

You run around insulting people constantly both in game and on the forums.  Then have the gal to blame the staff for why you didn't get promoted to E? 

The requirements are far from insane.  In many ways they establish a baseline for quality interactions while playing the game.  

You want E or L, then behave like a leader.  

But don't try to blame folks like Ulmusldorn.  They are doing it right.  And I hope this doesn't discourage them.  Because when I swing to their cabal eventually I can't wait to leap into the structured Rp promotion system he is using. 

[Ulmusdorn]

Please don't drag me into this

But I appreciate the sentiment. 

The staff are ridiculously flexible. I'd rather spend 2 hours helping someone improve and get some then just deny an app in 30 seconds. 

 

Its all there for the taking. I mean. There is literally a tangible reward system for every little interaction. 

No more will the staff ever have to say: does anyone have any idea what so and so's RP is like. Do they deserve x. Its all there. Coupled with GROWING pk skills (hell even @Deykari has had a leader) the world is yours to conquer.

[Zhurong]

I think I have lost my title as the most hated FL player.