Vaerick Posted October 29, 2016 Report Share Posted October 29, 2016 Evidence in the sense of anything pointing directly at her. But the actions taken by her and her agents is evidence in and of itself. Either way though, you're right- good talk! EDIT: As for Comey's speech, come on. Even mishandling classified information is a felony and I promise you there have been people who were fired and or jailed for less. Those people didn't have a husband who could summon Lynch nor an army of lawyers if she was brought to court. Not to mention the retaliation he would face if he brought the case but failed in conviction. This goes back to believe what you want. For example. Did Al Capone kill a bunch of folks? Absolutely. Was he ever arrested or convicted for Murder? Nope. But he wasn't running for president either. So, anyone who wants can say HRC did nothing until they're blue in the face, but BBC News wouldn't have polls at 49% to 46% if people believed it. What makes me mad, is because of her, Trump may become president. Because of the DNC. And even if he doesn't she's no better. It's all a wash in a race to the bottom. So now all like "ooooooh vote for HRC or Trump wins!" from everywhere. If the Democrats cared about beating Trump, rather than it be one specific person, this wouldn't have happened. Bit late in the game to even give that mentality the time of day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 As Kyzarius so eloquently pointed out earlier, "come on" is not an argument. Don't promise me that people have been criminally charged for the same acts, provide examples, because we have the Republican FBI director saying that in his consideration of the history of such cases, that is not what has happened. Do not simply assert that he is wrong or lying, provide evidence of it. Edit: And no, do not believe what you want. Believe what can be demonstrated based upon reliable evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Erelei Posted October 30, 2016 Implementor Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 Uh.. General David Petraeus? Wasn't he Court Martialed (sp) for mishandling and retention of classified information? He avoided jail time as a plea agreement, but he was put on probation for 2 years for 'gross misconduct of mishandling classified information'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 The charge against Petraeus was that he provided classified information to another person, the plea bargain was to mishandling of classified information. Comey noted that charges have been brought due to "clearly intentional and willful mishandling", which Petraeus demonstrated by directly providing classified material to someone not cleared for it. Clinton did not give material to anyone in such a manner. As Comey noted, she still mishandled information, and yes, she was negligent - but not in such a way that Comey thought a reasonable prosecutor would bring to trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaerick Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 A Republican FBI director appointed by Democratic President Barrack Obama......... So that argument is pretty well moot. Either Obama picked an impartial fbi chief (big props to him if this is the case) or he is a idiot at a level beyond understanding (appointing top cop someone from an enemy faction who will harass at every chance?). The government prosecutes people all the time for even the smallest infraction. A lot of my family members have clearances and they have said the same. I can get wanting specifics but disregarding that it happens at all because of a lack of specific example? Pfft. Moreover I'm not trying to prove anything at this point. If you want to prove me wrong you can cite to the contrary, but googling mishandling of classified information yields 277k results, so it's not like it's unheard of.http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/hillary-clinton-email-10-punished-less/ http://thehill.com/policy/defense/292064-troops-using-clinton-defense-in-classified-information-cases http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2016/07/heres-the-other-gross-negligence-case-comey-cited-in-clinton-email-testimony-225266 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaerick Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 This is what partisan politics produces. If someone hates Donald Trump then no matter what Hillary has done she is better. And vice versa. As for Hillary. I can't believe it's even a point of contention that she receives benefits above and beyond what normal Americans would if they had even accidentally tripped up, let alone purposefully decided to hide said trip ups, if they even were that from the beginning! You don't set up private email servers to insure that FOIA requests are fullfilled lmao. This reminds me of that email leak about America being an oligarchy. (Paraphrased) "Hey dude! Did you hear, they did a study and America isn't a democracy, but rather an oligarchy?" "Yeah well, I guess they need a study to prove the obvious." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 You know, I was hoping we could continue without reaching the "you're just blinded by your biases" stage, but apparently not. I think we're done here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaerick Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 I'm pretty over it too, but point of interest, I was speaking in the general sense as a response to the dismissal of the investigation of HRC because Comey is a Republican. Seems like a bit of a double standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 *sigh* You know, it's not exactly ending a discussion on a good note if you have to end your "I'm done" post with a "but here's one last point first." Which you have now done twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaerick Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 1 hour ago, Pali said: *sigh* You know, it's not exactly ending a discussion on a good note if you have to end your "I'm done" post with a "but here's one last point first." Which you have now done twice. Right on, Kettle. To be fair I said "pretty over it" which by definition would be the level right before completely over it, but, you know, semantics. Lol, but in all seriousness it's all good. Really over it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 You got it, Pot (shouldn't I be the Pot? I mean, I said it, and I'm also the pothead... ). Let's quit while the quitting's good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaerick Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 Hey, 420 ftw! Now there's something we can all enjoy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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f0xx Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 I am not sure what Pali even considers as "evidence". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 Damn it, @f0xx, we're trying to end this on a good note! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 Should perhaps ask him for evidence, Pali. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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f0xx Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 Facepalm ain't an argument mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Manual Labour Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 I lol'd at the last 2 memes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 Gotta dump all those e-mails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaerick Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 I'm still hoping for that 11th hour miracle where the democrats magically get their heads out of their asses and disavow HRC for Bernie. Short of that... we're all screwed. Sorry world, but we'll probably drag you down with us. That said, I'm shocked it's even this close between HRC and Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 20 hours ago, Vaerick said: That said, I'm shocked it's even this close between HRC and Trump. This sentiment I can agree with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 forget the 8th, done voting on the 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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