Dear America

[Imoutgoodbye]

 

Poem removed 

[ajwetton]

To be fair though, America didn't choose trump, he lost the popular vote, you can thank the antiquated crap electoral college for him.

[Imoutgoodbye]

There isn't a fair.  America overall lacks a great deal of education about its own law processes and government institutions.  One could point to gerrymandering.  Electoral college.  Super delegates.  Monday morning quarterback this all day.  Done is done.  

 

EDIT:  And it's poetry.  I don't have to be fair.

[Trick]

Lol.

How come every liberal cry baby, Killary-supporter, and millennial dip shit is saying America is so racist now? Lol. Y'all are crazy as hell.

As if a rich white woman that has gamed the system her entire life is going to be the grand messiah to usher in a world free of racism and sexism or whatever? Get the hell outta here. HRC is crooked. Plain and simple.

Stop "protesting" President-Elect Trump as if it will accomplish anything. You protest when rights are violated, not when something didn't go your way.

 

[Imoutgoodbye]

No need for name calling and flame baiting in this thread.  I'm sharing art.  That's all.

[Pali]

We've been saying America is racist for a long time, not just now.  That said, racism does not do a good job of explaining the election results - Hillary lost places Obama won twice, and it doesn't make much sense to assume that they turned racist during his term.  Now, voter turnout being low, particularly among those on the left, does explain the results, and Hillary's flaws as a candidate very likely had something to do with that.

[Tempirion]

My short two cents:

Cooperate America has been in the shit pipe for 50 years.  You are offered an illusion of choice with these fake party representatives who only support the cooperate interests.   The media is in the "man's" pocket and only tells you what they think you should hear in order to support their own ideals.  Devide and conquer, a military tactic, has worked on America for generations.

http://www.google.com/url?q=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dxw10DUVUIG8&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjCz6eZnafQAhXMKiYKHVFMBsAQuAIIDDAA&sig2=uXUtIbv8iCbIUcFORLkOGQ&usg=AFQjCNHZES-8XLM2wa5jAL8fv4pWI_Bayg

 

I voted trump to vote for change.  We've done the same political party horse shit for my entire life and nothing has changed.  We're going down the shitter as a county no matter which party is elected.  I may not agree with all of his ideas BUT he represents something different than our norm.  People argue he is a pompous assshole but that's why he has an army of advisors, generals, PR people, etc to give him direction.  People argue he's a racist, a sexist, but his first picks for new administration are 1. A woman 2. A gay man 3. A black man.

Stop drinking the koolaid the media is pouring.  Do your own research and use your own unbiased ideals to make a conclusion.  Look at how many violent riots we have, look at college kids needing safe spaces, look at the murders of first responders.  This represents a majority of why people said enough and you woke the sleeping giant. 

 

#MakeAmericaGreatAgain

[Cydare]

Evidently the left-controlled media are sitting on their hands in regards to publishing the actual popular vote counts.  I'm reading in some reports that Trump actually won the popular vote too (62.9m for Trump, 62.2m for Hillary).  I understand the left wants to show that Trump "really didn't win"... oops.  Seems he actually did, whether someone likes the electoral college or not.  Get over it.

I voted Trump.  The left is showing its true colors now, like a school bully that got called out.  I'm very happy I'm not among them.

[Pali]

What's your source, Cydare?  Just about every source I can find, including Fox News, Breitbart, and other conservative-leaning media outlets has Clinton winning the popular vote.  CNN temporarily had projected Trump winning the popular vote, but that was quickly retracted as being due to an error of some sort.

[Imoutgoodbye]

Seriously, guys, I don't want the political discussion.  Just sharing art.

[Pali]

You should have known better, Valek.  

[Trick]

5 minutes ago, Valek said:

Seriously, guys, I don't want the political discussion.  Just sharing art.

Really?? 

You're sharing "art" that is political in nature and attacking Trump and America... How did you not expect this to go towards politics.. 

Blows my mind.. 

[Imoutgoodbye]

You're right.  It's too much to expect civil discourse these days and any attempt to look at a poem through a literary lens or through explication.  

 

@Pali  You're right.  Should have known better.  Forgot where I was.

[Tempirion]

No reason we can't discuss politics.  That's the problem entirely nowadays.  No one can debate their opinions without people getting their feelings hurt and resorting to cave man tactics.  We, as a country, used to encourage healthy debates.  It opens avenues for free thinking idealisms.  Here is a prime example from the a left voter on exactly what I'm referencing.

http://www.google.com/url?q=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DGLG9g7BcjKs&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjYiYmFqafQAhWIMyYKHcvXB2oQuAIIFTAD&sig2=Ov42b17sPP4cjf34T2ulJA&usg=AFQjCNH0NBuJZ1-MhvHjNKJl2wEGSv_Kyw

[Pali]

To add to what the guy in @Tempirion's video said, I found this article in the Atlantic from late October to be an interesting one as well, and one that I think leftists in particular should read.  It chronicles how the Democratic Party changed from being a largely populist party to being a much more pro-corporate one, and specifically how the economic ideology shifted starting in the 70s.

[Imoutgoodbye]

I'm seeing a fair amount of insults and name calling, not discussing.  Perhaps I should resort to this?  Tell others they're drinking koolaid and not doing their research. 

 

Damn right I'm offended.  I have a fucking Bachelors Degree and am working on a Masters.  Know how much research I do on a daily basis?  You're resorting to essentialism and stereotypes.  I can prove Day in and day out Trump is a racist, mysoginist, worthless businessman.  

 

I want this thread deleted and am exercising my right as OP to have it gone.

[Pali]

Remember, Valek... they go low, we go high.  

[mya]

4 minutes ago, Valek said:

I'm seeing a fair amount of insults and name calling, not discussing.  Perhaps I should resort to this?

 

4 hours ago, Valek said:

Trump, take advice
from Ginsberg;
shove an atom bomb
up your patriarchally
tight asshole.

I have the strangest feeling that Valek is trolling us all.

[Erelei]

1 hour ago, Valek said:

I want this thread deleted and am exercising my right as OP to have it gone.

I'm sorry, Valek - you don't have the right to delete a thread.

That said, I don't see any flaming here. Just a lot of sides to multiple views from a poem that was written to show your discourse and disappointment with America and the voting class. Just because you didn't like that people reacted to it doesn't mean it should be deleted.

[Trick]

1 hour ago, Valek said:

I'm seeing a fair amount of insults and name calling, not discussing.  Perhaps I should resort to this?  Tell others they're drinking koolaid and not doing their research. 

 

Damn right I'm offended.  I have a fucking Bachelors Degree and am working on a Masters.  Know how much research I do on a daily basis?  You're resorting to essentialism and stereotypes.  I can prove Day in and day out Trump is a racist, mysoginist, worthless businessman.  

 

I want this thread deleted and am exercising my right as OP to have it gone.

You didn't post a poem about a situation that expresses feelings. You posted an opinion in the form of a poem to voice your opinion without receiving any sort of argument towards it. 

We're resorting to essentialism and stereotypes? Are you KIDDING me?!

The fact that liberals and democrats are throwing a tantrum and calling everyone that voted for Trump a sexist, a racist, a misogynist, a xenophobic, or an uneducated white man is stereotyping. As if only the KKK, idiots, or back-wood hillbillies could be so stupid as to vote for someone like Trump. As if Hillary is the golden child and should be praised for being a criminal, a traitor, condemning people to die, fixing the DNC, and everything else that she has done. Stop being a hypocrite. 

Do you know what being offended gets you? Nothing. Great. You're "offended", it doesn't mean anything to anyone. Grow up. The world isn't YOUR world. Its THE world. Don't like it? Tough shit, cupcake. 

You can't prove any of it. Because you don't know any of it.

The hard truth of it all is the DEMOCRATS elected Donald Trump and the DEMOCRATS are suddenly surprised by it. The media constantly bashed Trump for every little thing he did or said in his life. As if saying stupid comments on a bus about "grabbing her by the pussy" is going to ruin his chances to win an election when HRC let people DIE in Benghazi or defended a pedophile/rapist as a lawyer.(But it was her job.. blah blah blah)

The Democratic slander-tactic backfired. Any press is good press, right? The bought out media gave Trump all the fuel he needed by constantly bringing him up and throwing him free campaigning. 

Why did Hillary lose states that have been primarily democratic for the past 50 years? Because, as it was said above, people are TIRED of the same old shit. They don't feel as though it is working and Donald Trump, despite his flaws, represents that different avenue. That change.

 

Exercising your right to have it removed? Lol.. Stop trying to act like you are entitled to something. You posted something, got backlash, and now want it gone? If only the world worked that way.. Maybe the Democrats woulda put up Bernie instead, lol.

[Imoutgoodbye]

My final two cents:  

 

Love how everyone made this into something it wasn't.  So, since now anyone can say whatever they want.  I'm ashamed at the lack of respect and decency 

http://cdn.thejournal.ie/embeds/twitter/361b3cf6c7838fda9c670185c5201ac8.png

 

What the hell, I'll take a parting shot before I go:

 

Im not arguing with a bunch of conspiracy theorist, context abusing, fallacy riddled, anti-intellectual, and downright blind to the meanings of privilege and equality that are right wing nut jobs.  

 

Discuss your lunacy away to your heart's content.  Just not with my poem.  Mine by copyright. 

[Erelei]

49 minutes ago, Valek said:

What the hell, I'll take a parting shot before I go:

 

Im not arguing with a bunch of conspiracy theorist, context abusing, fallacy riddled, anti-intellectual, and downright blind to the meanings of privilege and equality that are right wing nut jobs.  

 

Discuss your lunacy away to your heart's content.  Just not with my poem.  Mine by copyright. 

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Sounds like you came here looking for a fight

Don't get me wrong, you're gonna get one here. Not everyone likes to sit on their issues, and it's easy to speak your mind (just as you spoke yours). But let's try not to get offended - you brought a wholly, offensive poem to the masses when you called out America and Trump supporters. Not sure what else you were expecting.

[Imoutgoodbye]

Oh, so other people got offended?  I didn't see it as an offensive poem.  Guess it's perception.

 

But you can kiss my ass because I did NOTHING that warranted the response I got from Trick other than the fact HE got offended and HE doesn't like it, so it became a personal attack (don't believe me?  I can tear the syntax of his sentence structure down for you).  As a matter of fact. fuck all of you.  I don't know why I came back.  I'm not contributing to this shit fest.  

 

Go ahead and chalk it up any way you want.  Enjoy your never ending death spiral of a game.  Forum looks nicer.  Personalities are definitely leaning towards the asshole side of things, though.  Game probably sucks as much as the last time I played it, too.  

 

I'm out.  Not coming back this time.  Go ahead and delete my forum account.

[Zavero]

I'm confused why you would think that posting what you did wouldn't elicit some type of negative response.

It is a public forum is it not? 

[Erelei]

And this, everyone, is the definition of entitlement.  I'm not deleting his account. Nor am I going to ban him. That's what he wants. On top of everything, he decided to take a shot at the game, that he actually IMMd on a good while back. He's upset because someone disagreed with him. He's the one who was offended. Everyone else just jumped in and chimed in on a poem that was meant to incite a response such as the one he received from Trick.

In case he wants to delete his comment later, I'll immortalize it by quoting it:

49 minutes ago, Valek said:

Oh, so other people got offended?  I didn't see it as an offensive poem.  Guess it's perception.

 

But you can kiss my ass because I did NOTHING that warranted the response I got from Trick other than the fact HE got offended and HE doesn't like it, so it became a personal attack (don't believe me?  I can tear the syntax of his sentence structure down for you).  As a matter of fact. fuck all of you.  I don't know why I came back.  I'm not contributing to this shit fest.  

 

Go ahead and chalk it up any way you want.  Enjoy your never ending death spiral of a game.  Forum looks nicer.  Personalities are definitely leaning towards the asshole side of things, though.  Game probably sucks as much as the last time I played it, too.  

 

I'm out.  Not coming back this time.  Go ahead and delete my forum account.