Clerics Sermon vs High Intelligence

[sarcon]

Does this work similar to hypnotize? Not so affective versus someone with High intelligence? I just logged on with a very old toon, who was naked and decided to piss off a cleric and I noticed this..

Focusing your mind, you are able to tune out Zazantix's righteous sermon.

 

 Str: 18(18)    || Level: 50 Sex: F      Age  : 344(19h)        |
| Int: 24(24)    || Class: thief          Ethos: chaotic         |
| Wis: 20(20)    || Race : drow           Align: evil            |
| Dex: 24(24)    || Hp   :  238/720       Exp  : 35994/548606    |
| Con: 14(14)    || Mana :  622/716                              |
\ Lck: [||||--]  \/ Move :  425/425       +Hit: -3   +Dam: 4     /
/----------------/\------------------/\--------------------------\
|     ARMOR      ||      SAVES       || Deity : Creator          |
| Slash :   100  || Spell      :  6  || Faith : Agnostic         |
| Pierce:   100  || Afflictive :  0  || Weight: 3/325            |
| Blunt :   100  || Maledictive:  0  || Items : 3/43             |
| Magic :   100  || Mental     :  0  || Prac  : 0     Train: 0   |
|                || Breath     :  0  || RP    : 2                |
|                ||                  || Gold  : 10K   CP: 0      |
\----------------\/------------------\/--------------------------/
/ Condition: You have a few cuts and bruises.                    \
\----------------------------------------------------------------/

<238hp 622m 425mv> You are affected by the following:
Spell: blasphemy      : for 2 hours
Spell: curse          : modifies savingspell by 6 for 26 hours
                      : modifies hitroll by -6 for 26 hours
Spell: sermon         : for 4 hours
Spell: detect hidden  : for 25 hours

 

The sermon didn't even affect me and I was kinda suprised, but then I realised I was a drow.. so maybe the high intellegence had something to do with it?

[Neldrin]

I think it is now checked for a save when it fires each tick. I have saved it with low int/wis races and high int/wis races. But I don't know the exact answer, I believe it is just a saves check.

[Fool_Hardy]

Interesting that the character is agnostic.

Better if it read;

Zazantix spouts a bunch of religious banter, but you have heard such ignorance before.

Lol

 

[Anume]

you saved

[Kyzarius]

4 minutes ago, Anume said:

you saved

What is the chance of saves though with his INT and just -6 saves? 

Should be very very low i would think. 

[Fool_Hardy]

Whats the Perk for the character?

[Magick]

30 minutes ago, Kyzarius said:

What is the chance of saves though with his INT and just -6 saves? 

Should be very very low i would think. 

... That's +6 svs, not -6.  Add another "very" to that.

[Kyzarius]

27 minutes ago, Magick said:

... That's +6 svs, not -6.  Add another "very" to that.

oh hell! you're right.

so yeah, should NOT have been able to save that. 

[Erelei]

I'm wondering why you, a naked whatever, is attacking a cleric.

[f0xx]

Who needs wares man when you have a big..... ego.

[Magick]

Thief.  Failed blackjack, perhaps?

[Manual Labour]

8 hours ago, Fool_Hardy said:

Interesting that the character is agnostic.

Better if it read;

Zazantix spouts a bunch of religious banter, but you have heard such ignorance before.

Lol

 

He isn't the cleric...He was fighting one. Agnostic Clerics cannot commune any spells at all and are totally gimped as such.

[sarcon]

9 hours ago, Erelei said:

I'm wondering why you, a naked whatever, is attacking a cleric.

Umm hello.. I was about to get dressed by taking half the clerics stuff, how else would a thief get dressed! But like waaa? Naked and I beat out his sermon. Weak sauce R US. 

[Erelei]

It's working as intended.

[Kyzarius]

so maybe its the intention that should be looked at.

 

It is really intended that a naked thief can resist a mental skill like minister? 

 

How is that balanced?  The guy had +6 spell saves.  He shouldn't resist anything. 

[Erelei]

Just because you don't see saves listed, doesn't mean that your race doesn't have the saves. 

I already took a look, but it doesn't warrant a change or a fix.

It is working as intended.

[Pali]

Different races have different innate saves?  Outside of things like stat effects and stated resists/vulns?  This is news to me.

[Kyzarius]

I wonder if that cleric had been naked how much "saves" he would of had against the melee from the thief. 

[Magick]

You're also looking at one instance.  A single save against minister completely out of context.  How many times was it saved across the duration?  Just the once?  Every time?  Low chance doesn't mean no chance and low chance doesn't mean every time.

[Kyzarius]

I am just so disenchanted by the balance of caster output vs melee output in this game atm.

It seems there is a myriad array of ways to screw up, lock down, stop cast, resist, save, and otherwise just laugh at a caster while they try over and over again to just get their abilities to work.  To the point that ignoring everything but dps is the only way to really be effective. 

While against melee we have...shield block...parry...neither of which can be improved upon or scaled to any effective degree. 

And here we have an example of "working as intended" built in mechanics that make it so a naked thief can resist an evil clerics signature ability.  Like wtf...

[Erelei]

40 minutes ago, Pali said:

Different races have different innate saves?  Outside of things like stat effects and stated resists/vulns?  This is news to me.

We all learn something new, don't we? Races have different INT/WIS, which depends on innate saves.
 

 465   if (IS_AFFECTED(victim,AFF_BERSERK) || IS_AFFECTED2(victim,AFF_RAGE))
 466     save += victim->level/10;
 467   if (spell_type == SPELL_MALEDICTIVE){
 468     save -= victim->savingmaled;
 469     save += get_curr_stat(victim,STAT_CON) - 19;
 470   }
 471   else if (spell_type == SPELL_AFFLICTIVE){
 472     save -= victim->savingaffl;
 473     save += get_curr_stat(victim,STAT_STR) - 19;
 474   }
 475   else if (spell_type == SPELL_BREATH){
 476     save -= victim->savingbreath;
 477     save += get_curr_stat(victim,STAT_WIS) - 19;
 478   }
 479   else{
 480     save -= victim->savingmental;
 481     save += get_curr_stat(victim,STAT_INT) - 19;

I hate that I have to prove myself every time I state something. It's pretty exhausting

[f0xx]

3 hours ago, Kyzarius said:

I wonder if that cleric had been naked how much "saves" he would of had against the melee from the thief. 

That's a pretty fair comparison mate. Comparing just one instance of a mental spell to a melee's output? Acting surprised that it failed is like acting surprised that a warrior's dirt has a chance to fail against a naked foe (no matter mage or otherwise).

Also, who in his right mind takes just ONE INSTANCE and bases his whole argument on it? It's not like it's any fair statistical data....

 

3 hours ago, Kyzarius said:

I am just so disenchanted by the balance of caster output vs melee output in this game atm..

Don't know man, 1200 damage per round seems like a pretty fair damage output to me, for a mage.

 

3 hours ago, Kyzarius said:

While against melee we have...shield block...parry...neither of which can be improved upon or scaled to any effective degree. 

Don't know man, AC seems like a pretty scalable and reliable way to protect yourself against melee attacks.

 

3 hours ago, Kyzarius said:

And here we have an example of "working as intended" built in mechanics that make it so a naked thief can resist an evil clerics signature ability.  Like wtf...

There are a few things you need to take in mind:

1) No matter how many saves you have, there's always a chance a spell will land. That's just how chance works.

2) No matter how little saves you have, there's always a chance a spell will be saved. That's just how chance works.

3) As it has been mentioned in the post, the thief is high int race, and int is the stat that gives mental resists..... and what do you know.... minister is a mental spell.

 

 

4 hours ago, Erelei said:

It's working as intended.

 

4 hours ago, Kyzarius said:

so maybe its the intention that should be looked at.

If you mean wimpy - a feature that

1) automatically flees for you for no lag

2) stops opponents' melee attacks

3) situationally overrides your own spammed commands and saves your ass, from your own mistakes

4) is being sold to us as "a tool for newbies", but is mainly used by highly skilled vets, like yourself

Then yeah, I think it's intention should be reviewed.

[Kyzarius]

I like how you took an example of melee pets...and compared it to spell saves...

An autoassist double round to boot. rofl. 

Derp...think you should stop at "don't know man"

[Fool_Hardy]

Amazing. A simple question asked amongst the players results in an argument about something else.

Still wondering what the Perk was. Not odd at all that he saved this tick. He is out of combat, the spell landed, the thief failed the initial save.

Lets argue if an empty bag is full of air shall we?

[Kyzarius]

i am just amazed the wimpy argument comes up on everything..