Invoker races

[English lad]

Is there a reason good aligned Invokers all tend to be faerie's?

I know about the Mana bonus - but that doesn't seem to outweigh Extra str and Con on elves imo?

[Pali]

Str means almost nothing to an invoker - every good-aligned staff in the game that an invoker might want can be wielded by a faerie.  The extra 2 con of the elf doesn't really make a big difference for invokers either, since they're not designed for the attrition game at all, and is traded for autofly and extra innate mana, while the faerie's tiny size makes it a little harder to triplock in situations where fly is negated.

 

The extra mana really is the main thing.  For most classes, an innate mana of 1100 or 1200 works about the same way; for invokers, it makes a significant difference.

[Izzy]

I would much rather be an elf over a faerie imo.

[Zhurong]

Dont they get a spell lvl bonus too?

[sarcon]

The only reason you would pick elf over Faerie is for sneak, that's it. 

[Pali]

Except faeries also have autosneak.  

[Celerity]

They are almost the same. I guess I'd rather have a little HP (elf) over some MP (faerie), and I personally would prefer to RP as an elf over a faerie. You'll see much less of a difference in races for invokers than other classes.

Elf has the iron throw vuln, but that is quite minor. My own invoker was an elf, not faerie.

[Magick]

Elf: +49 hp
Faerie: +147-294 mana

 

Either way, it's boiling down to personal preference.  They both make excellent invokers.

[Kyzarius]

Dont faeries end up with more pracs though? 

[Magick]

Elves and Faeries both have 20 WIS, so no.  As far as practices are concerned, anyone with 17-21 WIS gets three; the highest for most races.  Illithids can get four while gnomes can get five.

[Izzy]

Honestly you can be any race as an invoker and do well, some are harder to play as you handcuff yourself with mana, but if you somewhat know what you are doing, you can handle it.

[Fool_Hardy]

I have never played a faerie invoker, and I love the class. Elf is a strong choice, meaning the strength matters IMO. While both have the same basic stats, the weight of the armor you choose to wear will matter. This means both faeries and elfs will wield likely the same weapon, but not dress the same. This always leads me to the elf. I want those couple of pieces of armor that add +hp that weigh more than a faerie needs to be carrying. That being said, there have been hundreds of faerie invokers more famous than my elves. So either is a viable race.

As for all races being viable invokers. Half elf was the weakest I ever played. Lowest health/mana, least survivability.

[Kyzarius]

I have played faerie invokers and psi.  I never once had to chpose gear based on weight.

[English lad]

11 minutes ago, Kyzarius said:

I have played faerie invokers and psi.  I never once had to chpose gear based on weight.

Out of interest - what drew you to Faerie - RP? I've played an Elf Invoker before - and a bunch of people told me i was going mechanically weaker.  I tend to pick for RP reasons anyway - but I've seen so many famous Faerie Invokers / Psi - and I was trying to figure out what it is that i'm missing mechanically.  Same Int / Wis - both have autosneak, but Elves have higher Str for better Parry, and better Con for Hps.  I know about the extra Mana - but it really doesn't seem to outweigh the rest.  Basically I'm wondering if there is something about Faerie's beyond the obvious that makes people who know what they are doing choose the race.

[Evangelion]

Having played both extensively (and several other races beyond that), I cannot think of a single way that ANY race (good, evil or neutral) makes an invoker superior to that of a faerie. Autosneak, autofly, high dexterity, huge mana pool, and no vulnerabilities are just SOME of the reasons that I think faeries make far and away the best invokers.

For me, the biggest thing is the removal of an EQ variable. These are the constants that you focus on with equipment as an invoker:

• -AC
• +HP
• Saves (to a limited extent)

And, for every other invoker race, you need to either put trains into mana or swap in +mana gear if you want to comfortably be able to use your fully charged staff in battle without constantly keeping an eye on your mana and fleeing to use MT or catch a tick, . For a faerie, you have enough of a base mana pool that you don't need to add anything to it, ever. That means you can focus solely on HP and -AC, with the occasional piece(s) of saves gear depending on who your primary opponents are.

I never once had weight issues with any of my faerie invokers, nor any of my invokers for that matter, because your needs are rather limited. You're not carrying around a ton of extra weapons - worst case, you've got three or four pieces of armor (and maybe a burnproof staff to switch out for your noremove staff) to swap out depending on who you're fighting, and a bag full of consumables.

[Fool_Hardy]

@Kyzarius There were armors I wanted to enchant and wear with the elf that left me very little tolerance in my inventory. I never played the faerie because I assumed the trouble would be worse. Today it does not matter because there are better armors that weigh less. Back then if you wanted 15's across the board to start, the armor was very heavy, intentionally. So high str low dex races could get decent AC. Today.... Well. We live in a different world.

[Kyzarius]

1 hour ago, English lad said:

Out of interest - what drew you to Faerie - RP? I've played an Elf Invoker before - and a bunch of people told me i was going mechanically weaker.  I tend to pick for RP reasons anyway - but I've seen so many famous Faerie Invokers / Psi - and I was trying to figure out what it is that i'm missing mechanically.  Same Int / Wis - both have autosneak, but Elves have higher Str for better Parry, and better Con for Hps.  I know about the extra Mana - but it really doesn't seem to outweigh the rest.  Basically I'm wondering if there is something about Faerie's beyond the obvious that makes people who know what they are doing choose the race.

Highest int for a psi means powerful hypnosis.  better mental spell success rate overall too I believe.  

 

Though aren't they the same int? 

Auto fly? lol. 

[English lad]

Yeah - same Int - and its not like fly is a difficult buff to keep up for anybody with staves.

Its just always confused me why people went Faerie rather than elf - i was figuring maybe there was like a Mental Spells Buff or a spell damage buff or something.

[Magick]

Same Int, same Wis and same Dex.  Faeries get a mana boost, though.

No, it's not difficult to get flight up with the wand, the staves, the scrolls, the potions or the herbs.  But it's automatic and saves collecting the consumables.

And the thought of a faerie is awesome, too.  An inches tall creature exploding giants.

[f0xx]

@English lad, you've had a pretty strong faerie invoker yourself? Daviaus (sp)?

I can give you another reason on why to pick fearie over elf.

They are so sweet and tiny.

j/k.

Blademasters. A smart BLM will always have at least 120 in elves.

Whether very few of them will put anything on flying.

[Pali]

3 hours ago, Fool_Hardy said:

 There were armors I wanted to enchant and wear with the elf that left me very little tolerance in my inventory.

Similar to Kyz, I never had this issue.  I've played a number of faerie invokers, and none had any trouble maintaining a full set of eq, a few pieces to swap out if I needed saves instead of AC/hp, bags full of consumables and a secondary weapon setup of a dagger+charged stave (this can be handy against enemies capable of disarming or destroying your weapons).

[Mali]

Faeries are just super fun. Elves are RP porridge. Standard but a bit boring at times. 

 

I still want to see Kaddar as a selectable race, btw...

[Trick]

On December 19, 2016 at 0:16 AM, Mali said:

Faeries are just super fun. Elves are RP porridge. Standard but a bit boring at times. 

 

I still want to see Kaddar as a selectable race, btw...

Only if Kaddars can't be in reaver..