Yaliza Drow Invk vs Feral Ninja Roshun

[Manual Labour]

Damage taken by round on the Invoker:

R1: 169
R2: 131
R3: 129
R4: 79
R5: 58

That is really not that bad. Once you put missile shield back up the damage became very manageable.

If it were not for fury the invoker would have easily out damaged the feral. It seems to me like fury can miss so the invoker just needs to dance around till fury fades and wait for the feral to miss one then open up on his butt with a can of magical whoopass.

I have faced warriors who could output 200+ damage a round consistently.

edit: also, why threaten to not post anymore logs because people commented? Isn't that the whole point of posting a log?

[sarcon]

2 minutes ago, Manual Labour said:

Damage taken by round on the Invoker:

R1: 169
R2: 131
R3: 129
R4: 79
R5: 58

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And there you go folks.. move along, nothing to see here. The numbers don't lie.. Now, you over there, hand me those dice.

[Ulmusdorn]

1 minute ago, sarcon said:

And there you go folks.. move along, nothing to see here. The numbers don't lie.. Now, you over there, hand me those dice.

 

At least what was said above is actual fact? Not conjecture. You yourself admitted in your first post that the invoker made major errors off the bat. 

Fact: Is fury a mages bane. Yes. Fury sucks. I've played a few mages. Fury... I absolutely LOATHE it. 

Fact: Were the absolute best tactics used in this fight?(running, sleeping, hit and run, tacking advantage of his lag) No. 

Fact: Did the invoker prepare properly? No.

Fact: Did the Feral over reach? Yes - if three call lightnings went through - Roshan would be bricking it. 

 

Fact: Is any of this at all personal? No. We're just offering opinions. 

 

[sarcon]

59 minutes ago, Ulmusdorn said:

 

At least what was said above is actual fact? Not conjecture. You yourself admitted in your first post that the invoker made major errors off the bat. 

Fact: Is fury a mages bane. Yes. Fury sucks. I've played a few mages. Fury... I absolutely LOATHE it. 

Fact: Were the absolute best tactics used in this fight?(running, sleeping, hit and run, tacking advantage of his lag) No. 

Fact: Did the invoker prepare properly? No.

Fact: Did the Feral over reach? Yes - if three call lightnings went through - Roshan would be bricking it. 

 

Fact: Is any of this at all personal? No. We're just offering opinions. 

 

 

 

No, I agree. There was a lot of mistakes and many things could have been done to counter this. I have had Belderan take 245 in one round from me. So, this right here, is weak sauce. I was just having fun revving things up. 

[Anume]

I think we will get ... is overpowered posts whenever someone really skilled in a combi plays it.

I haven't seen many successful ogre warriors since I retired Thulgan (maybe one or two at most?) and still we always get this combi is overpowered  complains when someopne plays it well. We've had dks are overpowered complains when we had people running around like Masokant or later on Tkanzhar. We had a LOT of very powerful mages and communers running around who were a terror. We still have at least one of those currently  

Players need to stop thinking it is a combi when they have problems with a character that is very well played, planned and dressed.

A lot of advise was offered on various feral vs mage/communer threads. None of it was really accepted as viable. You will only improve your game if you accept advise that is well meant and offered from experience. Else even posting pk logs will not really help you.

I've fought and killed ferals (on melees, roughes, communers, I don't play mages much) I've also played some. I do not think ferals as a race are overpowered. They NEED fury to stand a chance against those classes that can easily eat up their hp. Esp. invoker fights can easily and very fast go both ways. Just don't do it last man standing - style as the invoker.

What we are looking at is the feral ninja combi. I am not personally convinced atm that it is overpowered, but we simply need more logs. Experience with a class and pk prowess also have to be considered here, or we come back to the start of my post.

[Chesta6384]

There was nothing wrong with this fight.  Invoker had huge upper hand.   If you know an enemy is coming as an invoker don't lag yourself.   If you need to reapply spells, move to do so .  Your greatest strength as an invoker is casting speed.  You could have gotten off a call at the beginning possibly two unfuried.  At that point his first fury cut your output down a bit.  You should have double casted those first two rounds then four more after his miss.   The fleeing and not casting cost u.   Missing casts as an invoker is bad.   Once you learn to minimize people getting the jump you will be far better off.

[f0xx]

20 minutes ago, Anume said:

I think we will get ... is overpowered posts whenever someone really skilled in a combi plays it.

I haven't seen many successful ogre warriors since I retired Thulgan (maybe one or two at most?) and still we always get this combi is overpowered  complains when someopne plays it well. We've had dks are overpowered complains when we had people running around like Masokant or later on Tkanzhar. We had a LOT of very powerful mages and communers running around who were a terror. We still have at least one of those currently  

Players need to stop thinking it is a combi when they have problems with a character that is very well played, planned and dressed.

 

I play League of Legends now and then and I watch others play it quite often. I watch people who main certain champs and are VERY good with them. It's always super funny when one of those guys plays against people of lower tiers. You always get comments like "OP champs, fuck Yasuo/Riven, GG Rito broken champ". Only once I saw a video where one of the guys says, "Well I have Riven too, but I can't play her like that."

[sarcon]

Ya, what he said, and she said.. and that one over there said. 

 

[Izzy]

14 minutes ago, f0xx said:

I play League of Legends now and then and I watch others play it quite often. I watch people who main certain champs and are VERY good with them. It's always super funny when one of those guys plays against people of lower tiers. You always get comments like "OP champs, fuck Yasuo/Riven, GG Rito broken champ". Only once I saw a video where one of the guys says, "Well I have Riven too, but I can't play her like that."

 

 

 

 

Lets say your playing a Feral warrior.  Then people are like Oh man its OP........Play and Avian Warrior and kick ass the same way.  Then its play style.

 

I have literally watched One player who I will not name Kill NEARLY EVERY PLAYER in the game.  Everything is fine right though?  I am not saying that one player is not good.  Yet can He kill every player in the game with all his other characters or just this one?

 

Anyone who plays something strong doesn't want to see it get nerfed.  Just the way people are.  THE END  Im not actually sure what the record is on the player I spoke about.  Yet if his record has been like that on all his other toons, then I will apologize to him personally.

 

Pretty sure when everyone was talking about Dwarf Bards.  Trick didn't like what people where saying.  Yet something was done.

 

I am watching Feral Ninjas get rolled and rolled and rolled.

[Anume]

Sidenote: someone asked us to deny his feral ranger a week ago, bc the combi was so weak.

The giggles.

 

And this one player you are talking about also killed everyone on a couple of other combis he played before.

[Anonymous]

Just now, Anume said:

Sidenote: someone asked us to deny his feral ranger a week ago, bc the combi was so weak.

The giggles.

 

Well thats ridiculous.

Anonymous poster hash: c30df...b84

[Anume]

Play a feral and get bashed to death in 4 rounds by a fire giant

[Anonymous]

Just now, Anume said:

Play a feral and get bashed to death in 4 rounds by a fire giant

Was he enlarged?  Did he have pets?

Anonymous poster hash: c30df...b84

[Anume]

Another sidenote: I bet you I'd do as well with the avian warrior as the feral one. They are both high dex warriors so you need to play those similariy, and completly different from high str warriors. The avian's vuln is much harder to access, so that makes up the ferals mini-auto-haste and his ability to fury.  I did also very well with dwarf, but that was a couple of years ago. Dwarf made #1 as best race for warriors back then lol. But then, we ALL sucked back then compared to the level of play there is now.

[Zoichan]

1 minute ago, Anonymous said:

Was he enlarged?  Did he have pets?

Anonymous poster hash: c30df...b84

What does it matter?  You have something to say when you weren't the one in the actual fight?

Good job to the fire giant warrior.

[Izzy]

16 minutes ago, Anume said:

And this one player you are talking about also killed everyone on a couple of other combis he played before.

 

Then I am sorry.  I will say well done to that person.  No one plays a Character like you do. *clap*

[Izzy]

12 minutes ago, Zoichan said:

What does it matter?  You have something to say when you weren't the one in the actual fight?

Good job to the fire giant warrior.

 

Clearly a cheap shot and the exact reason I do not wish to use the forums anymore.  Real mature.  It was a question.

[Chesta6384]

23 minutes ago, Izzy said:

 

Lets say your playing a Feral warrior.  Then people are like Oh man its OP........Play and Avian Warrior and kick ass the same way.  Then its play style.

 

I have literally watched One player who I will not name Kill NEARLY EVERY PLAYER in the game.  Everything is fine right though? 

I've killed nearly every player in the game with a shaman, invoker, warrior, ranger and cleric.   Obviously some were harder but vulns and resistances suck.  I keep trying to tell people the combo itself doesn't make it powerful.  Learning the strengths of your class and utilizing it is part, the next part is learning to play the attrition game, chasing and running speed is the most important.   Once you learn how to run instinctively and not predictably you will put yourself above the rest.   This probably sounds like I'm boasting but I rarely r a a a a rely ever recalled from combat or teleported.  I see people use it so freely it's unreal.  Fight where you know your exits.  Know your escape routes.  Don't use the same fleeing patterns.  Recalling to miru going thru undark to val Miran....very predictable.  Master those things and try to be perfect and you'll have no problems beating that feral.  

[f0xx]

2 minutes ago, Izzy said:

I have literally watched One player who I will not name Kill NEARLY EVERY PLAYER in the game.  Everything is fine right though?  I am not saying that one player is not good.  Yet can He kill every player in the game with all his other characters or just this one?

You know mate, your logic is pretty bad. Just because this guy plays Riven so wall and can roflstomp you, doesn't mean he will be able to do it with all 130 other characters that League has.

Same goes for FL - some characters just suit you better than others. Kelmi is a perfect example for someone who I consider noob but plays thieves extremely  well.

 

 

[Kyzarius]

funny I play LOL and I stomp 90% of my enemies with any champ I randomly pick. 

[Fool_Hardy]

Constructive.

In my experience, Dark Knights are hardest to fight as Invokers. Having the Ability to slam the and mind make the staff useless, and take advantage of shield vulnerabilities, all while bringing the pain. JME.

[Mali]

I enjoyed the log. Two great players and characters. Keep em' coming this is what FL is all about. 

[Mmm Coffee]

Hp   :  852/870

 

That's part of your problem   As a drow, 870 should be about base HP with appropriate quests completed.