Syria and the "moderate rebels"

[f0xx]

I came across this today, and just want to put here.

 

 

[Ambroas]

Honestly I'm more surprised that CNN put this on the air than anything else.

[f0xx]

Yes, that was one of the reasons why I posted this here. You would expect to see something like that on RT said by Putin.... but on CNN by US rep?

I am surprised that they didn't cut her mic in the middle of the interview.

[Vaerick]

I trust Tulsi. Her and Bernie are the only politicians worth a damn.

[f0xx]

 

[Pali]

Yeah, that was a facepalm moment for sure.

 

Sort of like Conway using the non-existent Bowling Green Massacre to justify banning Muslims, or defending Trump's use of "alternative facts".  Except that one of these is a single Congresswoman who pretty obviously was thinking of Crimea and said the wrong, but similar sounding, name, while the other is the President and his staff blatantly making shit up.

[f0xx]

It's getting interesting again boys, prepare your shelters!

[hotspring monkey]

It hit too close to my base for being just a "singular incident."
Just "by accident " a terror attack just take in place at centrum of Sthlm. Three dead.

Too fucking close to my home base.

And if anyone, we're surprised that we got municipal elections coming weekend.

###ooops a f u lefist tree huggers -shit survived  

I know multiple muslim in this society - but these newcomers just don't cut it. And the latter ones are the ones makings the problems.

[f0xx]

 

[f0xx]

 

In the end, Hillary or Trump, it doesn't really matter. At least Hilary had her cards down from the very start.

This guy lost all my respect. He has zero integrity and coherence.

[Fool_Hardy]

I do not armchair quarterback the US military.

Those unfamiliar with US politics should know that no single person can order an attack on foreign soil. Excepting a soldier on that soil with access to the proper arsenal. And that soldier will most likely face a tribunal.

I agree with Fox on this one. It did not matter which candidate had won the election. The US Congress has likely been planning, and securing the necessary votes for this strike since Obama was in office.

I disagree with any notion that Hilary was on the up and up. But, knowing what she and her husband did in Arkansas, I am biased. They would have both been convicted if their lawyer(the loose end) had not been assassinated during another election year. Crooked people can never be upright men. Stand straight. Stand firm. Stand up.

[Celerity]

We'll see. Many, many of Trump's supporters will be very upset if he continues to turn into a interventionist warmonger. They already are. I believe Watson is slightly wrong about the military situation around Hama, but that is quite minor. I really suggest southfront.org's ongoing analysis of the military situation in Syria if you have an interest in that level of detail.

Trump has surrounded himself with neocons in his administration. Watson has the right idea and his overall message is correct here. Trump was never a Ron Paul, unfortunately.

The thing I like though is that Trump's supporters and the alternative media will eat him alive if he turns into something bad. As they should. As they are. They are hardly the blind cult the mainstream media makes them out to be.

Personally, I don't agree with Trump's airstrike for strategic or political purposes. I consider it a complete blunder. This mistake doesn't absolutely alienate me from the man, but I was never in his camp to begin with. I do have a hard time classifying him on the level of Hillary though at this point. He has a long ways to drop yet to reach her.

Trump knows his core is mostly against this move. He watches the social media as much as anyone. He knows he has to do something to rally them and regain their confidence. His positions and integrity are flexible enough that he can flip-flop again quickly. Hopefully he'll learn that this path is the wrong one from this. If he chooses to continue down the neocon/neoliberal path, he'll commit himself to a failed presidency and it will be a huge victory for the deep state.

Time will tell soon enough. In the worst case, he'll turn out to be a complete fraud and just do what Hillary would have done, so we are no worse off anyways. I don't think it will come to that. I expect him to reverse quickly. At least, I hope he does.

 

@hotspring monkey re Sweden: Three humans and a dog dead. I don't know what you guys think about pets, but a dog/cat is family to me. Even when they aren't mine.

[hotspring monkey]

34 minutes ago, Celerity said:

@hotspring monkey re Sweden: Three humans and a dog dead. I don't know what you guys think about pets, but a dog/cat is family to me. Even when they aren't mine.

I wish i'd  be down to lives,  Celerity. For some cunts it might be just that. We have talked  between you and me previously. Our talks do make f0xx jealous.

BUT! I'm a FUCKING HUMAN BEING and I can't just stand here and see my country be fucked up via lefttist cunts. I love cunts. Fuck you cunts.
And then we level ourselves to Celeritys level - We be on par with shit that leves with us.

I just ... don't see myself there. I've always felt myself to be superior to pets and such. i guess I'm asshole.

[Celerity]

I thought the Finns would be fine watching Sweden implode...

[aaa]

Lol. 

Only problems we have here in middle Earth is what we're gonna have for 3rd breakfast. 

[Atticus]

4 hours ago, Wade said:

Lol. 

Only problems we have here in middle Earth is what we're gonna have for 3rd breakfast. 

Lmaooo

 

That is all.

[f0xx]

[hotspring monkey]

wtf, I was drunk.

[Vaerick]

The whole thing is pretty damn suspicious.

[Izzy]

1 hour ago, hotspring monkey said:

wtf, I was drunk.

It happens.

[hotspring monkey]

11 minutes ago, Izzy said:

It happens.

I'm drunk.

[Pali]

On 4/7/2017 at 6:56 PM, Fool_Hardy said:

Those unfamiliar with US politics should know that no single person can order an attack on foreign soil. Excepting a soldier on that soil with access to the proper arsenal. And that soldier will most likely face a tribunal.

The President does indeed have the authority as commander-in-chief to unilaterally order military activities on foreign soil up to a point - Congress must be notified within 48 hours, and without Congressional authorization such deployments cannot last more than 60 days, with an additional 30 day window for pulling them out.  These limits were imposed by the War Powers Resolution in 1973, largely as a result of US involvement in multi-year conflicts in Korea and Vietnam happening without official declarations of war by Congress.  Trump did not require Congressional approval for the strike, or the raid a couple months back that went bad, anymore than Obama did in authorizing the bin Laden raid.

 

On 4/7/2017 at 6:23 PM, f0xx said:

He has zero integrity and coherence.

I wish more people had figured this out six months ago.

[Vaerick]

In this one thing though, and I HATE defending Trump, it's not like Hillary would have done better... She literally called for the same kind of attack hours before it actually happened. We probably would have been at war sooner. In the last debate she called for a nofly zone well after we dicked around for years and then Russia got involved. Obama's red line meant shit the last time this shit supposedly went down, and at least then the narrative sounded right. The democrats want a war with Russia. The Republicans seemingly want a war with China (though less vocal). Perhaps the collective establishment simply wants a world war.

The establishment is the establishment. It's just a matter of which oligarchs own them, and some are rich enough to own both sides. I think it's clear now whatever benefits Trump's supporters thought they had about him being "non-establishment" though is gone.

This whole damn thing reeks. Syria has long known that the US has been itching to deck them in the teeth. Why in the world would Assad bomb his own people using an ugly weapon when Syria and Russia had all but won the war? That's just asking for the US to intervene directly. And it gave the US a last ditch Cassus Belli before the war concluded. Pretty convenient for the hawks. And notice how the media is lavishing Trump with praise- at least in the initial moments before they could spin it a bit different to fit the Russia stooge narrative via his warning of Russian forces that the attacks were incoming (which makes perfect sense if you don't want a world war).

[Pali]

2 minutes ago, Vaerick said:

Obama's red line meant shit the last time this shit supposedly went down

In fairness, when that "red line" was crossed, Obama did ask Congress for authorization for retaliation.  Congress said no, and so instead Obama went the diplomatic route.  Now, Obama could certainly have authorized some action on his own much as Trump did here, so for those that think a retaliatory strike at the time was required, this doesn't excuse his lack of one - he certainly authorized many other strikes without asking Congress first, and I don't think his given reasons for doing so in this case quite add up.  Personally, I don't think he really wanted to go the military route, and so used Congress saying no as a justification for seeking a diplomatic resolution.

 

7 minutes ago, Vaerick said:

The democrats want a war with Russia.

No one wants a war with Russia.  A no fly zone in Syria as Clinton proposed would have only happened via collaboration with the Russians to avoid an incident.  Even if an incident did happen, such as a Russian plane accidentally being shot down, Russia would no more declare war against the US for doing so than it declared against Turkey when Turkey shot down a Russian plane in 2015 - they'd use the incident for diplomatic leverage, no doubt, but Putin knows that Russia can't take on NATO and wouldn't have tried.

 

8 minutes ago, Vaerick said:

The Republicans seemingly want a war with China

No one wants a war with China.  Pulling out of TPP already effectively ceded economic dominance of the SW Pacific to China, as China wasn't included in TPP but after the US pulled out China was brought in to the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership which looks like it will replace TPP.  Trump screwed up early on by talking to Taiwan (but to his credit tried to fix this by affirming the "One China" policy later), and he may push us in the direction of a trade war with China if he follows through with some of his campaign rhetoric (which he hasn't thus far on this issue), but unless he randomly decides to attack North Korea without justification I don't see us getting into an actual fight with China anytime soon.  And again, China can't take on NATO - it's not going to be looking to escalate any issues into a shooting game if it can avoid doing so.  China's leadership, if it is anything, is pragmatic, and war with the US will cost more than it can possibly gain them.

[Vaerick]

There are certainly factions in both sides that want constant war. There's money in it for them, and we've basically been at war since WWII. And some hardline elements want war for more than just money. Those factions have existed as long as government, in as many forms and fashions. A lot of what you say is spot on, but there's a few things overlooked.

1. Democrats and DNC leaks. They have been running the evil Russia narrative since the primaries and haven't let up. They've accused them of basically putting a Russian agent in the white house. That sounds an awful lot like the accusations that lead to a cassus belli either for a war with Russia or a coup with the whitehouse, or both. Even as HRC was talking about a nofly zone, the Russians were already saying they weren't gonna have it. Assad is a vassal of Putin. It'd be like Russia setting up a no fly zone in Israel or Saudi Arabia.

2. China and the South China Sea. The Chinese have said in no uncertain terms that they won't let us dick around there. North Korea's programs aside, there is a great deal of heat generating from the artificial islands that have now been militarized. Now if you factor in North Korea, China isn't going to let their vassal state get wiped out by us either, and there a reason they're building aircraft carriers.

3. Capabilities are not certainly known between competing nations, but geopolitical influence is almost directly tied to military capability(main competitors anyway), so it lends to the notion a combined force of countries not in the American Hegemony could threaten NATO nations. Elsewise we would walk all over them at every turn like we do everyone else. Incidentally as much as some elements in the US want a physical war, I think it will probably be an economic one with an attempt at undermining of the Dollar as the reserve currency, or a digital one aimed at infrastructure. They don't necessarily have physically fight the US to do significant damage.