Implementor Erelei Posted February 9, 2017 Implementor Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 Posting something like this with an obvious shroud of deniability that this was caused by events in game .. not likely. Things like this just riles everyone up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted February 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 Nobody Is calling anyone out here. Like my post said I THINK its unclassy to have multiple enemies attack for the standard. When you strike the cabal guards your asking the person who is alone to defend. If X attacks my cabal guard yes I am going to be engaged with x. While I am engaged with x if y goes and attacks my cabal guard. I will disengage with X and now engage with y. I feel like you should never just let your standard be taken. Terrible rp. That is your Cabals most sacred item. If you are attacked. You defend.......thats it. Also this is just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted February 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 2 hours ago, Erelei said: Posting something like this with an obvious shroud of deniability that this was caused by events in game .. not likely. Things like this just riles everyone up. There is absolutely nothing wrong with riling people up. That is the point of communication to get people talking in whatever form it may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Erelei Posted February 9, 2017 Implementor Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 Well, a lot of people think its the lone user who decides who to fight. Unfortunately you don't get to do that. Those who outnumber you decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted February 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 6 hours ago, f0xx said: I would personally never engage someone who is battling someone else and I know it. Even if they are not battling, but in opposing cabals, I would still not do it. I find it absolutely hypocritical how everyone here posts that it's normal to be ganged/tagged yet they would cry out the moment it happens to them. Very recently we had such an experiment. I am honestly surprised how short the memory of this playerbase is. Truth right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Erelei Posted February 9, 2017 Implementor Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Izzy said: There is absolutely nothing wrong with riling people up. That is the point of communication to get people talking in whatever form it may be. There is, when the result is simply flaming. Which is what your post was borderline doing It's part of the game. It sucks, yes, but you'll be on the giving end just as much as you're on the receiving end. If you can't take one or more people fighting you, now or in the future, you won't get any better at PK. When you can juggle opponents and still come out on top - that's when you've reached a plateau of PK survivability and profesionalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted February 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 7 minutes ago, Erelei said: There is, when the result is simply flaming. Which is what your post was borderline doing It's part of the game. It sucks, yes, but you'll be on the giving end just as much as you're on the receiving end. If you can't take one or more people fighting you, now or in the future, you won't get any better at PK. When you can juggle opponents and still come out on top - that's when you've reached a plateau of PK survivability and profesionalism. No actually I will never be on the giving end. Because I dont do it. I NEVER attack anyone the cabal guard included when the enemy is outnumbered. I wait. I would rather the fight be 1 on 1. I am sorry but when you are fighting one of the toughest foes in the game. You shouldn't have to deal with any other problems. That is problem enough. Like I said. It is just unclassy and it shows peoples true character. Im not cool with it and I never will be. Also I would love to see the flames if the character I play at this moment was doing what I spoke about. OMG people would cry. You wouldn't stand a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Anume Posted February 9, 2017 Implementor Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 I don't think that anyone but you has a problem with an enemy attacking your guard while you fight another enemy. What are your enemies supposed to do? Just sit around and wait? Would this be good rp, esp. if it is a hardcore vendetta? Would it even be fun? Might as well just do duels WM style then and not do cabal wf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zavero Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 I guess I could be considered a classless player. If there are three people vs one I expect two of the three to engage cabal guard to get the standard and one to distract the opposing cabal player. I will do that and expect it to happen to me. Without issue. Cabals enhance role play and PK but they do not dictate the entirety of your characters ambitions, life, and thoughts. I don't agree that it is bad role play to make decisions that may affect your cabal in a negative way. Just like someone in the CIA trading secrets with the enemy... Is it wrong? Sure. Is it bad role play if thats the style of character you are? I don't think so. You shouldn't just let the standard be taken but shit happens. Try and get it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Erelei Posted February 9, 2017 Implementor Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 6 hours ago, f0xx said: I would personally never engage someone who is battling someone else and I know it. Even if they are not battling, but in opposing cabals, I would still not do it. I find it absolutely hypocritical how everyone here posts that it's normal to be ganged/tagged yet they would cry out the moment it happens to them. Very recently we had such an experiment. I am honestly surprised how short the memory of this playerbase is. Disagree with your first point. Depends on my RP though. I'm not going out of my way to make someone's experience miserable, but in the same breath, I'm not going to change my RP just so I don't hurt someone elses' feelings. As it is now, no one is getting much better at PK because the MOMENT someone tags them, shit breaks loose. "WHY! WHY DID YOU DO THAT!" and usually, RP is broken, someone rage quits/deletes, and it just ends terribly. This thought of 'player honor' is really a detriment to our game. But of course, this is just me outside looking in. If we get away from the thought that it's a bad thing, and into the rhythm of believing it's a great thing and an opportunity to help us get better, we'll all be so much better off. LOL at your second point. It is pretty humorous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted February 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 No there is plenty of things to do @Anume You can rp talk with your enemy. Rp with the other member of the Cabal. Be ready to defend. Take turns Attacking "Hey bill nothing is happening down here, do you mind if I step in?" Watch the battle while talking smack to the enemy. Cheer on your comrad. Like I said this is just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 dude the idea that you are asking them not to attack your cabal guard is just ridiculous. You shouldn't be in a cabal if that is to much for you. It is one of the most expected things. hell as Lell I had to fight off not 2 but 3 people, with 2 fighting the cabal, one on me, and then all on me. With Valadar I got E because I didnt bitch, but engaged in the 3 man fight. With Sepahoona I got my L the day I took on 3 WM's and won. Fighting against seemingly insurmountable odds and winning IS the challenge. This is made even more ironic by the fact that one of them I believe is a WM inductee! If I was on sepahoona in the same scenario I would of just destroyed the inductee in what 4 / 5 paths? looted his weapons and continued on. sometimes being on the short end of the stick in cabal warfare is part of being in a cabal. Weather bad times in a cabal, reap rewards for standing your ground. It is part of the game! Just like Looting is part of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Erelei said: This thought of 'player honor' is really a detriment to our game. This is one of the worst things I've ever read on this forum. Even worse coming from the coder himself. Player honor is what keeps this game alive. This game is not balanced for 1 v many type of battles (considering equal skill and eq). Being ganged is one of the absolute worst experiences you can get in this game, so I try my hardest not to deliver such an experience to anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Erelei Posted February 9, 2017 Implementor Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 Just now, f0xx said: This is one of the worst things I've ever read on this forum. Even worse coming from the coder himself. Player honor is what keeps this game alive. This game is not balanced for 1 v many type of battles. Being ganged is one of the absolute worst experiences you can get in this game, so I try my hardest not to deliver such an experience to anyone. Don't think you're understanding here. This player honor which seems to supercede RP, is what's causing this fuss. People are under the impression this should never happen (tagging, ganging, taking turns, etc). That's what the detriment is. And it IS a detriment. Saying anything otherwise just proves how far down the rabbit hole we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted February 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 Role play is role play. We all know there are different aspects to this game. The problem here is you got people who just say fuck the role play and want to go in for the kill. I have no problems defending against more than one foe, I usually do it often. Yet when it is one immediately after the other. That's when things are just silly. I can think of Two characters in the same Cabal where if they went around like this everyone would cry. It's that simple, and it could be easily roleplayed to make that an actual reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manual Labour Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 Contains some foul language Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted February 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, Manual Labour said: Contains some foul language Loved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fool_Hardy Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 <sigh> There should be a formula that should be adhered to for honors sake. 1 v 1 = never foul period. 2 v 1 = 2<1 defined as the two should be lower rank than the one. i.e. 2 IMV vs 1 TEL 3 v 1 (or more) = 3<=1 should only happen when the one comes for his standard or attempts to take the three's standard. more than 3 v 1 = Welcome home LA we missed you. Damn the other three are dead and I will die tired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tassinvegeta Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 I would like to suggest rp points be extended for classy play during cabal warfare and looting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Erelei Posted February 9, 2017 Implementor Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 I would prefer RP points for sticking to RP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mali Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 I personally enjoy ganging followed by massive looting and a bottle of wine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Erelei Posted February 10, 2017 Implementor Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 33 minutes ago, Mali said: I personally enjoy ganging followed by massive looting and a bottle of wine. In all seriousness, I'm happy for your characters. You do it by the book, and by your RP. You loot, gang, blah, whatever, if it fits your RP. It's not a bad thing, either, and I find it absolutely refreshing that someone on our player base still gets it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted February 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 34 minutes ago, Mali said: I personally enjoy ganging followed by massive looting and a bottle of wine. Epic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreir Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 Smh. Liberals. Millenials. Entitlement mindset. Cabals are not for the weak at heart. Life isnt fair. If you cry everytime you're up against the odds, you should probably go play hello kitty island adventure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted February 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 27 minutes ago, egreir said: Smh. Liberals. Millenials. Entitlement mindset. Cabals are not for the weak at heart. Life isnt fair. If you cry everytime you're up against the odds, you should probably go play hello kitty island adventure. Its easy to talk shit over the internet. Much harder when your getting punched in the face. Its easy to spot out the weak ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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