5 CHANGES YOU ABSOLUTELY NEED

[Erelei]

I'm doing an experiment.

The entire player base should discuss the five top things that the player base as a whole want changed immediately.

You will discuss below:

1. The player base must choose a spokesperson. Everyone must agree on this one person.
   1. The spokesperson will contact me via prayer forum to tell me what needs changed and what was agreed upon.
2. The entire player base should agree on this change.
3. This change MUST be a code change (no policy changes, sorry).
4. This change MUST be agreed upon by the end of Friday. Once I hear from your spokesperson, I'll make the changes.

This isn't a joke. The changes will go in as you all decide. Just remember to effectively include everyone's opinions and make sure everyone agrees with the changes proposed.

BEGIN DISCUSSING!

[f0xx]

Vote for me.

I'll give lag to herb users.

Powewordkill as side effect to using fury.

Will remove the ash cloak.

+3 spell levels for all mages to compensate for saves powecreep.

Dispel works without saves check.

[edit] I am totally not kidding. You make me your spokeperson, and I will suggest those changes.

Edited March 2, 2017 by f0xx

[Fool_Hardy]

This is a good Idea, but fundamentally flawed. We can never agree on anything...

[Zavero]

Wimpy has a one round lag on flee (pvp only not pve)

Smoking in combat has chance to fail

We won't even be able to vote for a spokesman.

Edited March 2, 2017 by Zavero
Yeah

[Fool_Hardy]

If adding lag to either of those, lets start small. How long does "Mount" lag? It is similar, a non violent action taken against self not other.

[tassinvegeta]

Might be hard to get everyone to agree on certain subjects. My background is that I've always played FL and been present on the forums even though I haven't appeared to be active. I've played some strong combos and some weak combos. I'm the type of player that enjoys challenging, unexplored combos. Don't always like the cookie cutters and sometimes enjoy putting in less effort if it means having more fun. My own success in addition to encouragement from Imms has always compounded my roleplay. Out of the game, I've always had a love for fighting games, Tekken being my favorite. I enjoyed learning all the various martial arts, strategies, memorizing frames of nearly all moves, even competing against tournament level players. I took this a step further to a martial arts career where I nearly became a professional mixed martial artist. Think I had a final record of around 12-1 before my shoulder injury forced me to get surgery. Though I still actively study and practice the arts.

Anyway a vote for me would ensure everyone's voices are heard. Not just the few veteran players. I enjoy giving reasons as to why things would or wouldn't work for those whom may not see things as we do.

My campaign promises would include;

Removal of wimpy initiating between attacks and suggesting a 1 round lag on it on top of a timer.

Removal of the ash covered cloak.

Duration shortened extensively on fury.

Herbs cannot be smoked during combat, lets make dispel magic great again!

A +1-+2 spell lvl for dks/paladins.

Removal of that extra perk vamps have against Paladins. Always wondered why Dyendas couldn't defeat Martineius, I understood a bit better after being put in a similar position years later.

Rebalancing of some saves equipment that give great combinations of hit/dam/mal/men saves. My goal is to bring back the times when melee players (especially giants) had to do more decision making when selecting and holding rares and were more susceptible to mistakes and not being prepared against certain classes of magic.

And ofcourse we can come together to more seriously discuss issues with berserkers and healers.

 

If not me I would endorse @Chesta6384for his extreme understanding of pk, his maturity as a player in and out of the game, and seemingly being open to a wide variety of ideas and players.

@Celerity for her strong understanding of pk, understanding that the game requires change for growth and retaining our players, maturity in and out of the game, especially when dealing with negativity on the forums. And the ability to understand, and interpret the needs for the different tiers of the game. High skilled & average skilled.

[aaa]

I'll endorse whoever is gonna do a majority of these:

Something to herbs

Something to ash cloak

Lower some of that super hybrid saves and hitdam gear

Lower barrier of entry for mages(some type of new spell that helps poorer geared mages without upsetting top tier) 

Add another round of lag to push 

Something about the mal/mental openers

That idea someone had about lowering all damage by 30%

Edited March 2, 2017 by Wade

[Zavero]

+1 @tassinvegeta or @Celerity

[f0xx]

34 minutes ago, tassinvegeta said:

If not me I would endorse @Chesta6384 for his extreme understanding of pk, his maturity as a player.

Noone can deny Chesta's PK skills. But I would just like to remind you that the last character he played was denied because of cheating.

So lets just say I don't agree with the "maturity as a player" part.

[tassinvegeta]

14 minutes ago, f0xx said:

Noone can deny Chesta's PK skills. But I would just like to remind you that the last character he played was denied because of cheating.

So lets just say I don't agree with the "maturity as a player" part.

Understandable. But we don't know all the events that led to this. And I believe various areas of his past should help to make up for that one incident imho. Giving a voice to someone whom the Imms had trouble with in the past could be a statement many can relate to and also serve as a peace offering. If @egreir is any proof, we can all be redeemed can't we?

[Fool_Hardy]

Indeed, the first article on the agenda will be nomination of a liaison. I submit my vote to the nominee who promises to do the following.

1. Develop a weekly thread for discussing proposed changes.
2. Hears the opinions of ALL players on the subjects within the time specified, and then proposes the change.
3. Understands that changes will always be "their" fault in the eyes of the players, and is prepared to deal with negative feedback in a professional manner.
4. Show interest the opinions of others, regardless of personal bias.
5. Is willing to devote the time necessary discussing with players the strengths and weaknesses of their ideas in a non condescending manner. (edited)

Let us know who the nominees are.

Edited March 3, 2017 by Fool_Hardy

[Magick]

The "something something to Ash cloak" isn't a viable option for change at this point as it's not code specific, unless we're talking about reworking how vuln/immunities work or what can or can't be placed on equipment.  Sorry Foxx/Wade.

Same goes for lowering the saves/hybrid gear unless the suggestion is how saves work.  Again, sorry Wade.

 

As the spokesperson does NOT necessarily have to suggest the changes, just be the liaison to Erilei, that means anyone can be spokesman.  Some balance skills can be good, but more importantly, someone who can keep us on track would be better.  Remember, it's a group effort for which changes are needed most, not "whose changes are better".

[Manual Labour]

Make FL Great Again, vote for me.

I promise to ignore most of your "ideas",
Put my own ideas at the forefront,
Nerf OP mages,
Ask for new quests that only I will know,
and Remove wimpy permanently.
 

 

[Celerity]

@tassinvegeta Cheating is cheating...it doesn't really matter what brought you to start cheating. No matter how you spin it (this one is just lazy/greed, since a simple drop and grab equipment), it is a lapse in character. It wasn't as if this was an act of civil disobedience. @Fool_Hardy We've just got one day. Sounds like a one shot deal, not an recurring, organized thing.

I agree that the key skills for the liaison are organization and diplomacy. More importantly, somebody who has time to do this over the next 36 hours. Trust is not a concern because the liaison can only suggest items that have been unanimously agreed upon.

One day to find a spokesperson that everyone agrees on? I don't think one day is sufficient time to even get a decent amount of votes cast. In that same day, come up with and agree to a list of changes that everyone agrees on?

The constraints mean the changes will be purely cosmetic, so let's start thinking in that direction. We may come up with up to five changes:

1. Title revamp. There is a list on the imm forum that converts monk titles from stock to FL-unique (chinese monk theme). There are many classes with stock titles and a change for some of these could reasonably be compiled within a day.

2. Warcry/sacrifice restring suggestion to include more default options.

3. Gossip/rumor system. Another version here. Looks like the original thread was lost due to a forum failure. @f0xx's revival gets the gist of it.

4. Automated monthly report on cabal numbers and player race/class distribution (two things currently posted manually by @Anume). Preferably in raw and timeline formats.

5. need another suggestion - perhaps a player account system that keeps a (private) history of our previous characters. Optionally linked to the forum.

Edited March 2, 2017 by Celerity

[Magick]

 

39 minutes ago, Celerity said:

One day to find a spokesperson that everyone agrees on? I don't think one day is sufficient time to even get a decent amount of votes cast. In that same day, come up with and agree to a list of changes that everyone agrees on?

Finding a spokesperson shouldn't be as bad as you say, Cel.  Tassin has nominated and Zavero has seconded yourself for it.  Would you have the time/patience to assume this role?

 

And if she's willing to accept this role, are there any objections to Cel in this position?

[f0xx]

I vote for Cel.

Last suggestion: Allow mages to see at what level they cast spells.

Aff level
Mal level
Mental level
Spell level

Edited March 2, 2017 by f0xx

[aaa]

I don't think cosmetic changes suit the tag line of things we absolutely need changing. 

That's kinda like getting 3 wishes from a genie and using them on clothes. 

There's potential for major changes, I don't think they should be squandered on cosmetic changes. 

[f0xx]

And I don't think they should be wasted on problems regarding flavor of the month combos.

[Celerity]

There isn't any reason we can't work out both lines (balance + cosmetic) at the same time. Balance would be better to address, but there is a good possibility we won't agree on anything, so we have the cosmetic changes to fill out our slots. If we can hash out decent balance proposals (what constitutes a single change is up to interpretation, I guess), all the better.

If I can help by being the 'presenter', that is fine by me. Most of the work is done in preparing what to present, not the actual copy and paste of the results anyhow. We just need to make sure we meet the spokesperson requirement before the deadline so we have someone who can legally present.

Keep in mind that this is an 'experiment'. Think like a teacher. If @Erelei makes very difficult qualifications, that means he is more interested in if we can meet qualifications than the actual end result of our proposal. If we end up fighting and not producing anything, we probably won't get another chance. In that sense, having five good ideas (cosmetic/balance) will go a lot farther than just this single proposal. Even if they aren't 'big', the most important thing is that we hit all the qualifications and can get something out there.

I imagine if it goes well, we'll have more opportunities. The test is to see if we can do it. If we come up with good stuff is kind of a side benefit. No serious balance-oriented adjustment would be approached under 'unanimous' qualifications, so, I think @Erelei is testing to see if we can rally the community or not. We can do that.

Edited March 2, 2017 by Celerity

[Tantangel]

Honestly I vote for @Celerity as well. After reading just the first little bit and no responses, she's the first to come to my mind that is capable of not only coming up with some unique ideas, but also being open enough to accept others reasoning and/or tweaks to those ideas once/if implemented. I think for a majority of the player base we tend to come up with decent ideas from time to time, so I'm sure we could easily come to the conclusion on things we believe should be changed.

* I for one would really like to see a new class come into play that isn't quest related and can either be played by all alignments or just neutral specific. The last one added was Lich which was how long ago?

* RP points helping others level being done for all levels promoting interaction early on and an even stronger incentive to do so.

* More quests that give RP points, and possibly allowing you to choose your rewards at the end of some quests like Gear. You have the choice of getting either the CP's which if you're not in a Cabal it gives you a good leg up by getting them early, or RP points which can benefit you in equal an interesting ways if you choose to not go with a Cabal.

* Adventurers being able to go to the red PK flag immediately after reverting without asking to have it changed (assuming it's possible at least). I honestly prefer to go Adventurer first and then revert, and the bonuses of dropping total lives to 20 outweigh the fewer lives I think, but not everyone has the same thought process as I do.

* Overhaul of the Healer class. They were made obsolete practically a decade ago, with very few being played since the change to resurrection stopped giving lives back. It's still possible to be one and be successful, but to be honest it's been proven you can do just about anything a Healer can and then some going the route of an Ogre Ranger. Add to the fact that with RP points you can get a couple of the spells as well, you're pretty much set to roll out and not many play them anymore. Even Warriors are more interesting and I'm not a huge fan of melee classes.

Sure not all would agree with it, but since I came back, these are things that all came to mind shortly after, or right after the change in the case of the PK flags at least.

[tassinvegeta]

@Celerity Well so far it's leaning toward you. However I feel the cosmetic changes you brought up don't meet the requirement for 'absolutely need'. with the exception of

"4. Automated monthly report on cabal numbers and player race/class distribution (two things currently posted manually by @Anume). Preferably in raw and timeline formats."

I feel this data is extremely useful information that can help us determine where the problems are.

I find that the things that make people rage quit, take vacations from the game, not play a certain class, sub-cabal, etc for years fit the category of 'absolutely need'. If one guy quits it can have a trickling affect on other players whom don't have that character to pk or rp with anymore. I see it all the time in the game. 

I will say your rumor/gossip system is nice and might bring in more players. But at the same time not the the hot topic that keeps coming up and getting threads locked lol.

So far it looks like the following was brought up more than once.

1. Wimpy

2. Herbs

3. Healer revamp

4. Gear balancing 

5. Ash covered cloak

6. Now adding your idea. Automated monthly report on cabal numbers and player race/class distribution

What would you say the 5 we should present to Erelei should be at this point? We can always modify as more participate in the thread.

Edited March 2, 2017 by tassinvegeta

[aaa]

I also vote for proper forum ignore/blocking functionality. 

I don't see why I should keep seeing foxxs comments when I have him ignored. 

[Chesta6384]

3 hours ago, f0xx said:

Noone can deny Chesta's PK skills. But I would just like to remind you that the last character he played was denied because of cheating.

So lets just say I don't agree with the "maturity as a player" part.

To clarify, I killed hamlet shops for gold.  Then rolled a character an hour later and helped myself to the pile of loot on the ground, but nobody cares for my input anyhow and someone obviously is still butthurt from the pain inflicted by Lejarak.

[aaa]

And sorry to break unanimous decision but I think wimpy is fine, it's already easy enough to die. 

And I'd prefer paladins to get looked at over healers as they're by far the more boring of the two. 

[Acele]

Dunno if I can vote or not, but @Celerity would be my pick for sure.

If I could.

 

I dunno man.