Zhurong Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 HAHA! For those of you which know about water heaters, they are suggested to be replaced about every 15 years (even with once a year flushing). My water heater of from 1979 and I just fixed it super easily and it had no build up in it whatsoever. Minus the fact it put 14.5 amps through my body yesterday and flooded my room today, ITS FIXED SUCKAS!!!!! Had to tell someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Magick Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Cute HSM. On a more serious note: Minus the fact it put 14.5 amps through my body yesterday and flooded my room today... Friendly public service announcement: Don't let these happen at the same time to you or you could get a bit dead. Even a half an amp can kill; don't let it cross your body. Going down one side of your body (EG: Left hand to left foot) is vastly better than traveling across your chest (and heart) from left hand to right hand or vice versa. Try not to grab exposed wiring, though if you must for whatever reason, use the back of your hand. Currents greater than 30mA is enough for you to lose muscle control. Meaning you won't let go. Always respect electricity. Always. That being said, did we do a little dance, Zhurong? I remember back when I was about 12, plugged in a TV after a water heater broke two doors down (and flooded the empty apartment between us). Naively, the carpet was still damp/wet and I'm not sure if I came close to the prongs, but I got a shock enough to send my entire arm numb for a minute or two. Good times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotspring monkey Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Re: stories As a kid, I tricked my little brother to pee in electrified fence. Later I dared him to touch a puddle of water and then the fence. He dared ofc. In 2007 I was in Ireland, shitfaced in Guinness brewery's museum. I had to take a piss before the tour so I found myself a loo. Unzipping and grabbing my manly hood I began urinating. As the first drop hit and the piss flow came solid - I received a jolt that travelled through my body, cramping my right arm and making my thumb erect in pain. Nice. Karma. Etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 So you pissed yourself cause you got electrified? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotspring monkey Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fool_Hardy Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 correction: 1/13 of an amp across the heart can cause heart failure. That's .0769 amps. To kill some people. O- blood types are more resistant. As their blood has a greater copper content where other blood types have greater iron content. Ironically, the copper "saves" O- types by allowing the energy to find a path to ground that does not pass the heart. Been hit with 120v dozens of times, 240v five times, 277v three times, and 480 once. Never been to the hospital. Its not luck, its O- blood. Did my research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celerity Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 O- unite! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zavero Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 What? Racism, sexism, and now we discriminate blood types? heh In seriousness... do not work on things without killing the power to them first. Apparently, @Fool_Hardy has not learned this yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magick Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Fool_Hardy said: correction: 1/13 of an amp across the heart can cause heart failure. That's .0769 amps. To kill some people. O- blood types are more resistant. As their blood has a greater copper content where other blood types have greater iron content. Ironically, the copper "saves" O- types by allowing the energy to find a path to ground that does not pass the heart. Been hit with 120v dozens of times, 240v five times, 277v three times, and 480 once. Never been to the hospital. Its not luck, its O- blood. Did my research. Voltage doesn't kill, amperage does. Getting hit by 120v-277v is cake, really. The amps behind it however... From 50 to 150mA, which is your 1/13 range (76.9mA), you'll have "extreme pain, respiratory arrest, severe muscle reactions. Death is possible." So yes, possible. To kill some. I was taught in the military that 500mA, death is likely (it's easy to remember .5A) and 1A or more, death is pretty much guaranteed. Though based on a lovely chart I've found, it states that at 1-4.3A, "ventricular fibrillation (heart pumping action not rhythmic) occurs. Muscles contract; nerve damage occurs. Death is likely." Nothing really about the 150-1,000 range in that chart. I suppose I could find out if I wanted. Personally, I read "possible" as "more than 50% will live" while "likely" as "you're toast, the degree is semantic." Speaking of toast, greater than 600 volts will cause burns. Lower voltages are decreasingly less likely to do so, or will do so less severely. Blood type is the classification of blood based on the presence or absence of antibodies and the absence or presence antigenic substances on the surface of red blood cells. So unless these proteins and other stuff have more copper than iron or vice versa may or may not be the case, it matters little in a molecule. Think mercury in vaccines. As an aside, I'd love to see where you found the Cu/Fe blood content per blood type information. (Seriously, I'm intrigued.) Now, if you're talking about the raw element floating about our bodies, it might matter a little what the balance between copper or iron is. Both conduct electricity, copper being the better conductor than iron. Copper has 100% conductivity where iron has about 17%. It's why you've never heard of iron wires but copper wiring is everywhere. So ... I guess more copper does matter, not to save you but to make you a better wire. (That's not good.) Resistance (ohms) will save you more than being a wire will. Source: I've done my research and I'm an elec tech by trade. Anecdote time: I was once told to find out what the problem was on a power amplifier. Boss said it was probably a power supply problem, and if possible, fix it. So I set up the bench as needed, ESD strap to wrist, cover off, etc. Turned on the power and it blew every fuse to the wall, but not before arcing and sparking magnificently. Transistors shed sparks wonderfully, by the way. So. I blew out the resistor like a candle, unstrapped and walked to my boss telling him it was indeed likely a PS problem but it was irreparable. On asking why, I informed him that he'd smell the reason shortly. And such a wonderful smell it was. Friends don't let friends smoke resistors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhurong Posted March 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Well, my house is very, very old. 115 years in fact. Many different dumbasses have messed with the wiring to the fuse box and nothing is wired correctly, go figure that they were all electricians. Lol. But, I was under the impression that all of the power was disconnected. When I was shocked, I was standing on the floor with wet socks and gloves that have a bit of rubber on the fingers and palm. I couldnt get the wire to form around the screw by manuevering the outside coating so I went to touch the wire itself, and thats when it hit me. Screw drivers, screws and many other objects flying across the room. It was wild. My chest did feel weird for about a day afterwards. I'm a highly certified welder so I am used to some form of getting shocked here and there, but this shock was completely different. Dont want to do it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magick Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Hilarious. Glad you're alright. And of course, that's why it's funny. Serious injury isn't funny. 12 minutes ago, Zhurong said: Screw drivers, screws and many other objects flying across the room. Fun fact. You hear/see those stories about people flying across the room after being shocked? Yeah, that's your own muscles doing the job through contraction, not the electricity "throwing" you. It's amazing what your body can do without your brain limiting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Turn the power off! Is this for real! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zavero Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Get a multimeter and check next time even if you think it's off. Anyhow, well done on the water heater. They don't make stuff like they used to. Both new vs old stuff has their drawbacks and their benefits though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fool_Hardy Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Magic at work now, I'll send you the links later.. Most of the info about O- is unfortunately related to conspiracy BS regarding people's current religious fears. But honesty, the common traits shared by these folk are so spot on its really creepy. In my house me and my daughter are O-, everyone else sees us as alien after reading the links. FTR.Amperage has never bothered me much. It's weird but most people complain about the burn, I don't feel heat from shock. What I always experience is the Hertz trying to control muscles. I just close my eyes and let go. Trips people out. But if you know not letting go is death. Why hold on? Before reading about O-, I told people it's mind over matter. Now I think maybe some people can't let go. Or, I may be just too dumb to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fool_Hardy Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 7 hours ago, Zavero said: What? Racism, sexism, and now we discriminate blood types? heh In seriousness... do not work on things without killing the power to them first. Apparently, @Fool_Hardy has not learned this yet. Brother, you know it's not that simple. Electricians can shut off power. I have to troubleshoot. Can not verify power levels if power is off. Multimeters like you mention would be paperweights if you did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zavero Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 38 minutes ago, Fool_Hardy said: Brother, you know it's not that simple. Electricians can shut off power. I have to troubleshoot. Can not verify power levels if power is off. Multimeters like you mention would be paperweights if you did. I'm not exactly sure what you mean @Fool_Hardy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fool_Hardy Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 With no power on the circuit, there are no amps, no volts, the only thing a DMM can check with power off is resistance. Which is how you check a fuse, but what if you need to know if your three phase motor is overamping? What if you need to figure out which 120v circuit in a large junction box comes from which 120v transformer. I have several machines with at least four 120v transformers, they not equal, one may put out 118v, one 116v, one 121v, and the last 115v. Now, Say the 121v circuit is running too hot and causing damage to my conductors. I have to go into the box, identify and label the voltage on each of the conductors, to determine which wires are likely to fail. As electricians, we call this phenomena a voltage orgy, its our least favorite predicament. But hey kill the power and guess right? Not when the machine costs 10 million dollars, you do what you need to in a safe manner. And I am sure you remember Zav, I spent years on those power poles, and you don't get to shut the power off on the line just because your tying in a new customer. I have been doing this kind of work for what 25 years now, not near as shaky as I was years ago. Also, have a lot more expensive tools now. Edit: And were talking about normal electrical usage here, if we begin talking about the resistance welders, were talking 150-300 amp services. Honestly, even I get a bit nervous checking them. Electricity is like PK, in the beginning it makes your heart race and hands shake everything seems so unpredictable, after your hit a few times, you realize it is predictable, and it no longer makes you nervous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zavero Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 I understand all of this albeit on a smaller scale due to my automotive hobby and automotive school. What I'm saying is that if you aren't testing the electrical system but another component of the system then kill power and test with a multimeter to be sure power has been effectively killed. Which I believe is what the OP was doing. At home working on the water heater is a completely different scenario than working in a commercial environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fool_Hardy Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 Agreed. More untrained people are killed by electricity than experienced technicians. Personal notes. LOTO (lock out tag out) when you can, translation remove all energy sources. Pressure, Springs, Gravity, and other stored energy causes more accidents than electricity. Troubleshoot when you HAVE to. Remember this rule about electrical tape, one layer provides ~100v protection. Count what you remove, and what you use. Wire nuts do not twist wires together, tie the wires then nut them. Terminals whether spaid clips or forked prongs, provide room for error. Attaching the conductor directly to the contact is usually better if possible. For Magick. http://dailyoccupation.com/2017/01/01/rhesus-rh-negative-blood-alien/ Start here, then search RH- blood types. There is SO much information coming out on this. A lot of average joes on YouTube, some very prominent studies from colleges. And honestly, its like they studied me preparing me for assassination, how spot on the characteristics are. This lady has done her research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magick Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 Wow. When you said something about conspiracy theory type people, I thought I'd keep an open mind. But wow. That crazy train to Psychotown starts at full speed and doesn't let up. I'm only about half way through the video and have seen a link or two, but I need to do dinner. I'll dive back into that later, but ... wow. So far I've lost count the misinformation in there. My favorite so far is "elect is the first syllable of electricity" or something similar. Kind of true, but the two are etymologically different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fool_Hardy Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 Yeah. I try to be patient with things like this. An analytical mind is not always a sign good thinking. My wife, she has made me watch dozens of these videos. I am shall we say, dificult to convince. But I do like comparison analysis. If I believe the two things are comparable. Since they are all a little nuts, I enjoy finding the common places and comparing them to the RH- people I know. So many truths buried in the hype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fool_Hardy Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 On 3/30/2017 at 0:52 PM, Celerity said: O- unite! Should have known. Your too awesome not to be one of us. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magick Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 That video got better and better. I'll amend my favorite part. It's when she stated that her pH was 6.0 and her mother was 5.X. This is utterly misleading. While yes, it's possible that she tested 6.0, that test kit tests saliva and urine, both of which are naturally acidic though the average for each is the 6.5-7.0 range. Your blood pH is in the 7.34–7.45 range and your body works to maintain that balance. She's stating the kind of misinformation that caused the alkaline diet fad, though that's a whole 'nother can of worms. And I digress. To prevent me from going too deep into this as an effort not to derail the thread further, remember that correlation does not imply causation. As an example, just because you touched a light bulb and it to blew doesn't mean that your Rh was the cause. Or even a factor for that matter. In general I can kinds of see where she's going with that, but ... no. It's wrong. Thanks for the links, though. It was enjoyable. If you wish to continue with this, let's start a new thread or shoot me some PMs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreir Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 I grabbed the spark plug on a riding lawn mower one time. That was fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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