mya Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 The only races I think we need, are a neutral auto-sneak race, aka Wood elves. And a small sized mage race for evils. We recently got the Half-drow, which was great, since it provides old 0xp humans to evils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mali Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 Was the halfling vuln added at the same time as the buffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Brother Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 Halfling vuln? I can't seem to find it in the helpfile, or change lists at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 Halflings have vuln to "damage", but since they have resistance to "magic", it kinda negates, and they are left with vuln to "physical". Their magic resist got lowered too, but I think that got reverted. @Mali the vuln was added a few years ago due to halfling BLMs, iirc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaa Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 Rip Halflings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Criminal Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 I dont get it, halflings finally OP'ed a class so the race got nerfed? I was fooling around with a halfling today and was wondering why I was taking massacres from the forest rangers while dressed in 'decent' gear, why not just remove the race from blademasters? UC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trick Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 Because at the time blanket nerfs were all the rave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 6 minutes ago, Unknown Criminal said: I dont get it, halflings finally OP'ed a class so the race got nerfed? I was fooling around with a halfling today and was wondering why I was taking massacres from the forest rangers while dressed in 'decent' gear, why not just remove the race from blademasters? The thing is, later blademasters got nerfed on their own. And after that halflings got buffed to do extra damage with daggers and spears. So generally, the mage combos took the biggest hit, which were fine from the start and noone played them anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaa Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 1 hour ago, f0xx said: And after that halflings got buffed to do extra damage with daggers and spears. So generally, the mage combos took the biggest hit Swords, not spears. I've always advocated that all halfling nerfs get reverted and the halfling blademaster combo gets a nerf similar to how elf/drow blademasters get a buff. The buff to elf and drow blademasters itself is pretty odd too when you think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fool_Hardy Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Wade said: The buff to elf and drow blademasters itself is pretty odd too when you think about it. Not sure I agree. It takes the blade masters with the lowest HP pools, and grants them a bonus to AC. Which in a world of rising numbers was needed for a class limited in what they can wear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trick Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 20 minutes ago, Fool_Hardy said: Not sure I agree. It takes the blade masters with the lowest HP pools, and grants them a bonus to AC. Which in a world of rising numbers was needed for a class limited in what they can wear. Pretty sure that's not the buff he was talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaa Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 32 minutes ago, Fool_Hardy said: Not sure I agree. It takes the blade masters with the lowest HP pools, and grants them a bonus to AC. Which in a world of rising numbers was needed for a class limited in what they can wear. I was talking about the +1 to dex and con that elf and drow get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mali Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 I'd make a kaddar faerie. If you make evil faeries with no penalty I will come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Erelei Posted July 21, 2017 Implementor Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 I like this idea. Kaddar faeries have always been a suggestion in the past. No to the no-exp penalties though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulmusdorn Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 9 minutes ago, Erelei said: I like this idea. Kaddar faeries have always been a suggestion in the past. No to the no-exp penalties though. Well... It should probably match the faerie exp cost I imagine, what is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magick Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, Ulmusdorn said: Well... It should probably match the faerie exp cost I imagine, what is that? Currently 325. Or rather, last time I checked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloth Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 I believe Mali meant no penalty, as in outcast or lost abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trick Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Then goodies need an Illithid race! Fair is fair, lol. Storm ~ Fire Half-elf ~ Half-drow Faerie ~ Illithid Elf ~ Drow Undead, demon, vamp, lich ~ Avatar.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulmusdorn Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Well.... Lich Vamp and Undeads are all undead... (aren't they?) Demon is a second race. Otherwise we need to include crusaders if we're doing classes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mali Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Lloth and I are on the same wavelength... I meant no strange nerf or ability lost. EXP penalty is fine. Will accept vuln to ice as it is already on mob kaddar in exchange for "call kaddar" Call Kaddar Your bloodthirsty brethren descent upon Ulmusdorn, biting any exposed flesh! Your Kaddar call scratches Ulmusdorn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fool_Hardy Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 3 hours ago, Fireman said: Pretty sure that's not the buff he was talking about. Oh, my bad. 3 hours ago, Wade said: I was talking about the +1 to dex and con that elf and drow get. + dex = Better AC + con = Better HP pool. 4 hours ago, Fool_Hardy said: Not sure I agree. It takes the blade masters with the lowest HP pools, and grants them a bonus to AC. Which in a world of rising numbers was needed for a class limited in what they can wear. But, again, my bad this old fool must not have been paying attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fool_Hardy Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 On Kaddar Faeries; I like the concept. Now, would they be allowed like some illithids to become Psi? Would they like the illithids be pigeon holed to one path of the q-class? Would they have alternate melee options, ninja/ranger as opposed to bard for instance. Would they have identical stats to a normal faerie, or slightly altered as drow and elf are slightly different? The concept excites me, the variables that need considered concern me, but not enough for me to say nay. This race would be played in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 3 hours ago, Wade said: I was talking about the +1 to dex and con that elf and drow get. That's nothing compared to their other buff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manual Labour Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't elf and drow blade masters get +con and +str ? Add avatar to the mix and the elf blm now has some pretty rocking stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Manual Labour said: Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't elf and drow blade masters get +con and +str ? Add avatar to the mix and the elf blm now has some pretty rocking stats. Yeah, they hurt from experience. Had a drow BLM rolled right after those changes and they felt nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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