Playtime Tonight

[Unknown Brother]

Well, I was a temprum recently and I did find that reverse time was amazing, as was age. I didn't get to the trusted rank though with that character. But Mysterum really only has reverse time and chrono shield. Everything else is suited to fight people that have nothing to do with melee classes including town gate due to it's restriction, it's just for convenience.  

I was fighting warmasters who had easily 80/80 hit/dam just ripping through my shit. All of their abilities bring more damage to the table, on top of how accessible it is to get decked gear now. There has been one Savant that is doing well in the last four months, and it's because of his psi skills able to just relocate at anytime and wear people down. He's rocking -800ac and I've seen him ripped down to pretty hurt in two rounds from some geared warmasters. 

My point is where the temprum skills are great on their own, Mysterum on the other hand bring nothing to the table other then Chrono Shield for fighting warmasters, which @mya said, the drawback is pretty heavy to have to maintain it.

A type of blur, or dodge defense added to mysterum to stick with the defensive theme would really improve the Savant standing, other then just one guy doing well. (Which has nothing to do with the Savant powers.)

[f0xx]

So let me clear this.... all a gladiator has is basically Forms and autodirt. For that he pays with not being able to use any consumables at all. Not able to use temple healers. Not able to use their skills in a group. Stance has pros and cons so I won't discuss this. IMO it's worse than sanc, but that can be argued. The E and L skills of Gladiator are a joke.

On the other hand a mysterum gets a shield that's the second best damage reduction spell after sanctuary, they get reverse time which basically one of the best spells in the game, and they get it at V. They get their spell cost reduced by 80%

And that's without even discussing their other skills. And they get it for NO drawbacks at all.

Now I've played some very strong warmasters and some very strong savants. People like to say WM has more members because of its stronger skills. That's just BS. 

WM is the cabal that usually has the most members because of two things:

1) gladiator is considered a noob friendly "consumable free" sub-cabal

2) the challenge mechanic

 

And while it has the most members, 90% of those are usually flak.  

 

But I challenge any of you here, who says WM is so OP. Roll a WM. Own the playerbase with it (or at least have a highly positive record). Kill some tough guys, then come here and say "I did that because WM is OP". Prove that what you say is true.

 

It's funny because every time someone dies, it's because the other guy has a stronger combo. He is "OP"

It's never because you are bad. Never because you made mistakes. Never because your opponent is better.

It's always the OP combo of your enemy. The bad balance of the game.

[Tempirion]

Savant skills are pretty legit if you know what they do exactly.   The items in Savant shop are a big bonus too if you check them out.  Overall I would say they're pretty comparable to warmaster and also consider poor wm inductee status.  As far as playtime's, I run some pretty strange hours that fluctuate with my shift work.  I'm usually around and watching but sometimes I can't jump into an to session while I'm working.  Notes and journals are generally a good rule of thumb if you want your character to go somewhere to wise.  They help us all stay on the same page.

And as for dhemicus, you got plenty of attention despite some poorly worded notes.  I've already explained to you your situation in length, you just did not like what you were hearing.  Your character is only trashed if YOU choose it to be.  Take your lick IC and reearn what you chose to lose.  It ain't a free ride.

[Manual Labour]

3 hours ago, Kyzarius said:

Every members mana cost drops by 80%.

 

22 minutes ago, f0xx said:

They get their spell cost reduced by 80%.

Are you guys sure it drops by 80% or does it drop to 80%?

[Mali]

Tempirion says : "write me notes if you want your character to succeed... up to you how much you want to play a game that involves sucking up to me."

 

Such a backwards approach to gaming...

 

When did the Imms forget about fun?

[Unknown Brother]

17 minutes ago, f0xx said:

So let me clear this.... all a gladiator has is basically Forms and autodirt. For that he pays with not being able to use any consumables at all. Not able to use temple healers. Not able to use their skills in a group. Stance has pros and cons so I won't discuss this. IMO it's worse than sanc, but that can be argued. The E and L skills of Gladiator are a joke.

On the other hand a mysterum gets a shield that's the second best damage reduction spell after sanctuary, they get reverse time which basically one of the best spells in the game, and they get it at V. They get their spell cost reduced by 80%

And that's without even discussing their other skills. And they get it for NO drawbacks at all.

Now I've played some very strong warmasters and some very strong savants. People like to say WM has more members because of its stronger skills. That's just BS. 

WM is the cabal that usually has the most members because of two things:

1) gladiator is considered a noob friendly "consumable free" sub-cabal

2) the challenge mechanic

 

And while it has the most members, 90% of those are usually flak.  

 

But I challenge any of you here, who says WM is so OP. Roll a WM. Own the playerbase with it (or at least have a highly positive record). Kill some tough guys, then come here and say "I did that because WM is OP". Prove that what you say is true.

 

It's funny because every time someone dies, it's because the other guy has a stronger combo. He is "OP"

It's never because you are bad. Never because you made mistakes. Never because your opponent is better.

It's always the OP combo of your enemy. The bad balance of the game.

Back in the day I had a warmaster Leader, Dwarf Blademaster Loriss.

He was a barb before the super eq that's around now, before they could use the glimmering staff which was huge. 

Fought: 85   Won: 65  Lost: 20   Refused: 2
 

Easily my best character and overall I'm a better now now. But still don't feel like I topped Loriss. Not saying WM are op, they hit like freight trains, but are killable. I'm saying givin the trend of gear focused towards melee, they are a lot stronger now then ever. I just feel Savant need an extra defense. At least for Mysterum. That's just my opinion though.

[Unknown Criminal]

Ive never said savant was weak, i think its the strongest cabal for mages. However ive also said it offers virtually nothing to combat warmasters especially when compared to what warmasters get to combat mages. 

Ive also griped about the lack of promotions, kills and time served got me nowhere on a char who has about 300 hours. Thats approximatly 10 solid hours a week for 30 weeks worth and i was stuck at V, but oh well, live and learn

UC

[Anume]

Being stuck at V I can see. Being stuck at M though as you said earlier? How? Did you not do your quests?

I've been at V for over 2 months as Thulgan btw. That was before journals and rp logs smoothed the path for players whos playtime does not match their cabal Imms though. T is nothing that is granted, else the promo would be automatic. It's something you have to work for.

[Tempirion]

1 hour ago, Mali said:

Tempirion says : "write me notes if you want your character to succeed... up to you how much you want to play a game that involves sucking up to me."

 

Such a backwards approach to gaming...

 

When did the Imms forget about fun?

Definitely not what I said.  If you want me to know about your character and our playtime's are different write notes.  I read them, watch you, and adapt to your rp.  Poor attitudes won't go far with me and begging for a promo just because isn't going to cut it.  If you rp you get stuff, if you don't want to to then don't?  Some people are into pk some are into rp.  I don't judge.  I enjoy the Rp side of the game just as much as I do the pk so I can see both sides.  If you are going to comment on a one sided complaint thread I'd like to point out there is a whole lot more behind the reasons as to why dhemicus is having difficulty.  I'm not airing anyone's business out on the thread though.  I don't get paid to imm, I do it because I enjoy making the experience fun.  Im sure a lot of people in Savant can say theyve had a lot of fun it's unfortunate some don't.  Also understand negative IC interaction is not necessarily a bad thing.  It's not always going to be peaches and cream especially when you cabal quit on bad terms.  He actually got reinducted into Savant because he surprised me and DID rp.  I enjoyed it even though tempirion is pissed.  IC and OOC are two different levels and I'm not sour on a personal level at all.

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5 hours ago, Kyzarius said:

The other way you get a 30% incoming damage reduction at V.  Not T.  V.   And gatestone on tap.   Plus some key defensive tricks.

Except that "gatestone" doesn't work when you've recently been in combat, so it's effectively only a time saver, much like the other savant abilities, not many of them actually make you stronger, they're just quality of life things like mana reduction and increased spell duration. 

I know I personally won't ever make another savant, literally every other cabal choice is better. 

[Kyzarius]

Wrong. 

Paradox cannot be stopped.

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Oh, I thought you were talking about town gate for some reason. 

[Kyzarius]

And i am sorry man, but saying every cabal choice is better than savant for mages is just completely incorrect.

Some may compete with it, but in other ways it is vastly superior.  And even where others stand up like pandemonium for some casters, it still is a better pick from a min-maxing powergaming peespective. 

 

[f0xx]

1 hour ago, Unknown Brother said:

Back in the day I had a warmaster Leader, Dwarf Blademaster Loriss.

 

I know those times. BLM in barb was super broken due to maelstrom stacking with ironarm. And back then BLMs were broken on their own, to begin with....

And honestly, comparing Mysterum to barb? Like chronoshield alone beats the whole skillset of barb. Gladiators at least have a useful Trusted skill.... if you wanna talk about a subpar cabal, lets talk about barb....

 

 

[Tempirion]

I'd personally say mysterum is a little lacking overall but still with some great skills for certain combos.  I definitely don't see any complaints with temporum from most all combos.  On the same token every cabal seemingly  had one  more powerful  sub can the other?  Reverse time is lazy man tool and it makes me all warm and fuzzy inside 😂

[Unknown Brother]

3 minutes ago, f0xx said:

And honestly, comparing Mysterum to barb? Like chronoshield alone beats the whole skillset of barb. Gladiators at least have a useful Trusted skill.... if you wanna talk about a subpar cabal, lets talk about barb....

That's not true man, cyclone, maelstrom and deathblow are monstrous. Chronoshield is good, no one is saying it's not, but it's situational and really the only tool they have to combat six attacks per round, plus wm skills/pets. If you use it all crazy like, you'll be outta the fight more then you're in. It's gotta be timed. I know reverse time helps this, but you ever have a decked WM knocking on the tower door? He'll get the standard before you can finish the cast. Hours before and take little to no damage from the elemental.

Most mages beating on the titan will drop to about half health before taking the standard, get drained and be screwed trying to recover while they come and two round the altar. Some mages can't even take the item.

Play a Mysterum. Let's see how you do against the current barbs/glads. I got my shit pushed in with my Temperum most times, and that's the subcabal no one is complaining about.

Not saying if I can't do it, no one can. I'm not a pk god by any means, but I like to think at the very least I'm average. 

 

[Kyzarius]

I played a mysterum recently.  Went 40 and 0.  Killed every wm, including E and L at the time. 

Chronoshield is far from situational.  It is a staple ability that should be used in every fight.  How is a flat damage reduction ever situational?  That doesnt even make sense.

Now i would agree, instead of the runes they should get a blurr or blink like ability.  But they are far from weak.

[f0xx]

16 hours ago, Unknown Brother said:

That's not true man, cyclone, maelstrom and deathblow are monstrous.

Cyclone is just group dirt. It's only useful to classes that don't usually get dirt (BLMs), and even then, it has it's chance to land decreased by 50% (and fairly so).

Maelstrom is just nothing.....

And deathblow is the easiest skill to avoid. The only time deathblow lands on my characters is when I've already won the the fight.

 

16 hours ago, Unknown Brother said:

Play a Mysterum. Let's see how you do against the current barbs/glads.

I have that on my list, but I have my hands full currently, so I'll get back to you again in a couple of years

And by the way what Kyz says is true. He beat my Ogre ranger in barb (Bloog) easy. I still don't know why he left Savant and did what he did. His character was beastly (and still is).

[Pali]

Hey, maelstrom's not nothing!  I've taken like... 50 damage from it every other round!  Show me another cabal skill that powerful!  

[f0xx]

It's a skill Pali, it has 2 rounds of lag so you can't possibly be taking 50 damage from it every round. 

And the damage it deals...

Quote

You execute the 'Maelstrom'!
Lonin yells 'Help! Dagoneto is trying to chop me into bits!'
Your maelstrom grazes Lonin.
Your maelstrom hits Lonin.
Your maelstrom hits Lonin.
Your maelstrom wounds Lonin.
Lonin has a few scratches. 

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You execute the 'Maelstrom'!
Your maelstrom hits Lonin.
Your maelstrom hits Lonin.
Your maelstrom grazes Lonin.
Your maelstrom grazes Lonin.
Lonin narrows his eyes.
Lonin has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

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You execute the 'Maelstrom'!
Your maelstrom grazes Lonin.
Your maelstrom grazes Lonin.
Your maelstrom grazes Lonin.
Your maelstrom grazes Lonin.
Lonin has quite a few wounds. 

is comparable to kicking. If not worse.

So yes, that so powerful Trusted skill is basically a kick.

Keep in mind also that if the barb kicking you, then he is not doing something else.

[Kyzarius]

Pali did say every other round.

 

and malestrom does shield disarm and disarm.

 

It also has other merits too...

[f0xx]

8 hours ago, Kyzarius said:

Pali did say every other round.

and malestrom does shield disarm and disarm.

It also has other merits too...

Yes, every other round, I missed that one.

And yes, it does shield disarm and disarm, if your weapon and shield are disarmable, which most times, they are not.

My point is, people try to make it like Savant offers them nothing while WM is for Gods.

Savant boosts the abilities of a mage hugely. Temporum adds more firepower and Mysterum more survivability.

Gladiator on the other hand is all about forms. For that, you give up A LOT. On top of that, their Elder and Leader skills are pretty bad.

Barb is meh.

People think that they get owned because their cabal is bad. I think it's just because they are bad. No offence intended here. It's generally the same if they do well. A good player doesn't need a cabal to do well to begin with. On the other hand, it takes skill to see the synergies and play them in the best possible way. Character development planning is a very important aspect.

As Erelei said, if you think something in some cabal doesn't suit you well, then just don't go that route. 

[Pali]

My comment was largely meant as a joke, hence the wink.

[Unknown Criminal]

4 hours ago, Pali said:

My comment was largely meant as a joke, hence the wink.

Pali... don't joke... This is serious (poop!)  I would have spelled sh.t, but the Watcher IMM is on the verge of kicking my ass  

p.s. Immortals rock!  don't be hate'in, we all live here  

UC