Borring PK

[Unknown Criminal]

So today ive been called the most borring PK opponent someone has ever had, this has actually happened to me on more than one occasion where ive even been told 'in char' that my chars fight exactly like this char, that char and another char.

Id like to know whats borring about where ill initiatiate a pk that i get beat up in and have to run... Do you or anyone else whom i attack think my first thought is to flee right after i initiate a combat? NO! I expect to win, it just so happens 'you' are not a gimp.

Even tonight with my main char (62hit-42dam) wielding a variety of weapons between staff, whips, spears and casting afflictive spells loses 500hp while barely touching my opponent leaving them at a few scratches.

Im not complaining about anything, im just a little annoyed that because where i choose to fight the toughest sobs in the lands my PK record is shorter than a Danny Divito sperm laying on its belly, all the while my opponents give me zero respect for fighting at obvious disadvantages.

There are very few chars i flat out refuse to fight but both are syndicate, ill just log out as soon as i see them. Anyone else im fully willing to give the ole college try with multiple attempts regardless of if im using a cabaled char or not vs cabaled chars of any rank.

Moral of the post is to compliment the skills and or combos of my apponents and also a 'come on now' if your raping your enemy. Respect the challenge or gameplan of a lesser dressed, lesser ranked or lesser skilled opponent and at the very least roleplay it a little more than by saying 'you suck' because they wont just lay down and die to your greatness.

In my opinion by discouraging someones pk attempt you discourage their entire gameplay, everyone wants to win AND everyone needs to win in one aspect or another in order to maintain a challenged interest. Show some respect in dominance and everyones experience (even yours) will reach another level.

UC

[f0xx]

10 minutes ago, Unknown Criminal said:

all the while my opponents give me zero respect for fighting at obvious disadvantages.

 

10 minutes ago, Unknown Criminal said:

Respect the challenge

 

10 minutes ago, Unknown Criminal said:

Show some respect

 

It's a lost battle mate. You will find no respect in this playerbase.

Whenever you win a battle it's because your combo is OP, you are better dressed or your enemy's internet dropped.

And when you lose a battle, it's always because you suck or you are a "coward".

[aaa]

As someone with over 3800 hours in Dota 2, one of the most toxic communities known to man, I have to agree that this playerbase can be terrible.

Don't even bother trying to suggest some kind of tone or adjustment to whatever hardship you faced, you'll be greeted with plenty of nay sayers and belittlers who will take the opportunity to attack you or your character personally.

Just let the frustration brood as you theorycraft the perfect counter, only to realise that you'll need to put in over 100 hours of commitment to stand a chance. 

At the end of the day you'll decide its just not worth it, I mean, you have that backlog of steam games you've been meaning to work on afterall and plenty of instant gratification games you could play.

It'll be a few days, then weeks since you've played here and you'll think about rolling something new only to be reminded at the mountain of work required to have a chance to be competitive and have fun.

The cycle ends, one player down.

Edit: This came off way saltier than intended, sorry.

[f0xx]

44 minutes ago, Wade said:

Just let the frustration brood as you theorycraft the perfect counter, only to realise that you'll need to put in over 100 hours of commitment to stand a chance. 

 

That kind of attitude is exactly the root of the problem.

[aaa]

@f0xx You're confusing "Rolling something specifically to counter and kill someone" with "Choosing a combination that stands a chance with your next character"

Not everyone is as malicious as you think, but if they're in the process of making something new then of course they're going to try to avoid to roll an easy prey combination for the big baddies at the moment.

[f0xx]

No that's not what I meant, perhaps I should have left that part out. I wanted to place emphasis on this part:

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...only to realise that you'll need to put in over 100 hours of commitment to stand a chance.

That's just not true.

I don't want to give my own experience as example, because it will sound like gloating, but I know many players who have taken down some pretty big names with characters that have just hit pinnacle.

[aaa]

11 minutes ago, f0xx said:

I don't want to give my own experience as example, because it will sound like gloating, but I know many players who have taken down some pretty big names with characters that have just hit pinnacle.

Of course, but surely they're the exception to the norm. For every character that took out a big baddie, I'm sure there were 10, 20 or even 30 who were easy prey but we're off topic.

 

3 hours ago, Unknown Criminal said:

everyone wants to win AND everyone needs to win in one aspect or another in order to maintain a challenged interest. 

I'd settle for fair or close fights too even if I lost every single one. The one-sidedness of  some encounters really leaves a sour taste in the losers mouth.
I remember semi-recently I played a tribunal and there was an obviously new player in watcher and every time we fought I would only slowly chase them or not chase them at all. I'm sure they appreciated not getting slaughtered and killed instantly but really it shouldn't be up to the player to self moderate themselves in that way, there should be gameplay mechanics that do so as to even the playing field. 

Kinda reminds me of a game I used to play called Natural selection, the barrier to entry was far too high and the game was balanced around the top level play. New or less skilled players would get slaughtered and stop playing which eventually lead to a very stagnant community of players who were all at the top of the game. New players were always met with hostility, and there were no in game mechanics or matchmaking to help them so they left.

Anyway, rant aside. If people are constantly just being punching bags they're gonna quit, I rarely see this issue addressed.

[Kyzarius]

Some people are more boring to fight than others.

Those that just log off are hilarious.  But whatever, its your game.   Everyone logs off to avoid a fight here and there.  But to never even once step up to the plate is meh imo. 

People who fight as the underdog tend to get respect.  From me that is free gear, or i will chat them up, give pointers. Fight other enemies as a priority.  

Those that just run run run, logoff, refuse to ever even try, usually with some quippy "not today" or over the shoulder jab at how they cant be caught get no respect imo.  I toss their things to the aforementioned try-hards. 

[Mali]

There does seem to be a huge power spike with Syndicate. I'm not sure if it is the cabal abilities or the players that gravitate to the cabal, but being able to find/listen/abduct/auto blind/bleed really makes those characters fierce.  Add a competent hunter in, and it can seem one sided.

Also, these super powerful characters killing for 50k. That's just a mechanic that is not supported anymore by the realities of in game currency. It's paper thin.

I don't think that is what the OP is referring to but the fact remains that there are still some incredible power spikes out there.

Sometimes it is gear and speed. Othertimes, code based mechanisms that unlevel the playing field. If it is the latter in play, it deserves a look. The former can be remedied. 

Qclasses, and I mean all of them, with the exception of (maybe) lich, enjoy massive potential that exceeds the bar most characters can rise to. I think they should be equal to other classes but with different flavor. 

Cleric Knight comes to mind as another power spike, with several recent past examples. 

Despite this I think players should resist banter aimed at the player and not the character. Someone dancing around, try not to insult them because you don't get the kill - is your character mad, or are you?

Killed in the middle of a city while chatting with friends? Don't insult the person that pulled it off. Your dead. 

I am guilty as are most of us, but when you have the OP who is a recent player return feeling like they are being insulted as a player or that no matter what they do they can't compete, we should listen.

[f0xx]

20 minutes ago, Mali said:

being able to find/listen/abduct/auto blind/bleed really makes those characters fierce. 

That's like saying "being able to dispel really makes the characters that can use it fierce."

 

[Kyzarius]

Frankly q classes are not an i win button.  The idea that they are is false.

They add different twists to the game.  But a lot of them dont do well at all.

Syndicate really just takes a player with good pvp skills and gives them tools that allow them to hunt more effectively.

 Trust me a lot of syndi characters have a very hard time.  Just like how a lot of quest races/classes have a hard time. 

Ivessiana is a middle of the pack pvper imo.  They have as many loses as wins from what I have seen.  Finding ways to hide, screw with them, all while taunting is the ops right.  But making ooc posts on tje forum giving them hell is just wrong imo.

This poor me, im the underdog, this other player is mean thing is just self serving on my opinion.  

[Mali]

I disagree. Dispel is a manually entered command and in most cases part of a classes general repertoire. Most of the above are passive skills. Of them all I think syndicates ability to find characters needs to be toned. 

 

Psi and crusaders as example both have current power spikes that need a hard look.

Re: original post, insulting during pk is a bit passe anyway but it has it's place. In this case, it was aimed at the player and not the character. I say we do away with tells altogether for fighting characters... Once combat begins, and after death.

 

Tell kyzarius you coward

 

You are too amped up from battle to speak to them.

[Atticus]

Well, I'd like to thank the mean old kill train for forcing me to learn all the areas ig due to having to re equip. 

Keep being mean, it'll make it sweeter when I win with a 1:10 ratio.

[English lad]

1 hour ago, Kyzarius said:

Frankly q classes are not an i win button.  The idea that they are is false.

They add different twists to the game.  But a lot of them dont do well at all.

Syndicate really just takes a player with good pvp skills and gives them tools that allow them to hunt more effectively.

 Trust me a lot of syndi characters have a very hard time.  Just like how a lot of quest races/classes have a hard time. 

Ivessiana is a middle of the pack pvper imo.  They have as many loses as wins from what I have seen.  Finding ways to hide, screw with them, all while taunting is the ops right.  But making ooc posts on tje forum giving them hell is just wrong imo.

This poor me, im the underdog, this other player is mean thing is just self serving on my opinion.  

The point about syndicate is accurate, but I do think these 'utility' powers have gone up in worth substantially over the years due to other shifts in the mud. Spy specifically is very strong due to the lower number of players logged on at any time. Syndicate got some of its powers back in the day as it was expected they would be going up against the biggest and baddest, and would be constantly having to watch their back due to general dislike from other 50s.  These days syndicate are probably the least likely candidate to be attacked, and are allied with the tough foes a lot of the time, going after weak / new characters that are bounties by their 'friends'.

I do think syndicate could do with a look at, but more from a RP perspective than anything else.  They just seem to have the best of both worlds, and have done for a few RL years.

[Mali]

Conclave/Hunter/syndicate has always been the preferred/optimized  code vehicle for domination. It all began when viri, as gorath, wanted to bring horror to the pbase with exceptionally secret and powerful skills. Again, not to go too far off topic, but I agree the rp angle there just doesn't hold up either. Needs a look. For an hour of play I can bounty all active characters and the syndicate become drones to do my bidding, even if the money is not good. Not to mention characters placing bounties and then filling them with their alts.

[Anume]

E / L can reject any bounty they deem unworthy and regularly do so.

Placing a bounty with one char and collecting them with another is illegal ooc behavior and will result in a lot of pain if we catch it.

 

[f0xx]

44 minutes ago, Mali said:

Conclave/Hunter/syndicate has always been the preferred/optimized  code vehicle for domination. It all began when viri, as gorath, wanted to bring horror to the pbase with exceptionally secret and powerful skills. Again, not to go too far off topic, but I agree the rp angle there just doesn't hold up either. Needs a look. For an hour of play I can bounty all active characters and the syndicate become drones to do my bidding, even if the money is not good. Not to mention characters placing bounties and then filling them with their alts.

Lol Mali, you sound like someone who's never had a syndicate

[Mali]

With respect though, I didn't intend to shift the whole conversation that way. Lots of power spikes, lots of counters. Ideally even the weakest combo would be competitive to a degree.

[Trick]

Syndicate doesn't give anything big, but it makes a strong combo stronger by giving them access to spy, sneak, and secret arts(blindness for a tick).

Other combos like Nexus, for example, have a much greater synergy potential.

[Dale]

Like when I played Raemus I caught a lot of flak and people who didn't want to fight me, one guy would purposely run into agro mobs just to ensure I didn't get the final blow.  When the truth is I'm not even that great at pk, I can type fast and I k I the areas.  I am a dent chaser but I k ow exactly how you feel when you go into a fight fully prepared and you get rocked even though you were sure you'd do better. Check out Raemus vs rangoku and all the spells I had up. I had all those up for every pk.  I always had a lot longer than my screen of affects and experimented with every weapon and stance until I felt I had the best setup.  And even then there were those I could never beat.  Well, not many but they were out there.  

 

Some of us will never be good at pk because of what it takes to be the best now. Just love your character and try to enjoy yourself, don't let IG chatter get to you.

[f0xx]

4 hours ago, Dale said:

Check out Raemus vs rangoku and all the spells I had up. I had all those up for every pk.  I always had a lot longer than my screen of affects and experimented with every weapon and stance until I felt I had the best setup.  And even then there were those I could never beat.  Well, not many but they were out there. 

Remember mate, nowadays it's always the combo. Never the skill of the player.

Felt good when I beat your cocky ass on Rangoku though.

[Dale]

Did you beat me?  I don't remember ever having any outcomes but I don't doubt it he was a beast.

[f0xx]

6 hours ago, Dale said:

Did you beat me?  I don't remember ever having any outcomes....

I didn't manage to kill you, but making a fearsome syndicate never want to come for you again?

I'll gladly take that as a win, thank you

Sometimes merely coming on top (after your opponent eats a backpack full of nymph hearts) feels better than an actual kill.

[Trick]

I collected Rangoku...

[Anume]

Guys, plz don't let this get to be another of these "BUT I AM BETTER THAN YOU" threads. You're all great ok?