Who Played Who?

[Fool_Hardy]

I have no problem at all with dragons having their own equipment slot.

It sucked much worse to write the description of a lifetime, be awarded a fire dragon, and having to trade it for ranged weapons.

What I would like to see, would be RP purchasable pets, for this exact equipment slot. Did not get a dragon, no worries buy the small albino snake, the forest macaw, or the dark quasit. Items created for the "coiled/resting on shoulder" slot. IDK, just something I would like to see, but I am an old fool.

As for getting the armor dragon. AWESOME!

I can already cast it, well yeah, but I don't have too. That dragon is a consumable a melee never has to seek. Its guaranteed armor coverage for any character 99% of the time. Will replenish in battle, which my spell will not do, and I can not lose it. Winner winner chicken dinner!

Edit: Dragons are over rated, for me, it always meant a little more when my description inspired the immortal approving it to do something different. Among my favorites was a personalized bag. How did I get a bag? I not only made it an integral part of my description, I likewise referenced it in my history and role play. Anything is possible, if you are willing to put enough of yourself into it.

[Fool_Hardy]

2 hours ago, Manual Labour said:

The same power hungry douche bags ......

But I'm obviously self persecuting and paranoid. 

Dude, I am not that power hungry. LOL.

For @Manual Labourand @Dale

 

[Dale]

I quit again.

[Lloth]

10 hours ago, Mmm Beer said:

Be it Facebook, chat apps, IMMs and their morts

 

Where can I redeem this apparent imm voucher for extra stuff?

 

My second qthing took over a year to get.

[Atticus]

11 hours ago, Mmm Beer said:

 

It's impossible - there is FAR too much OOC that goes on in this game.  Be it Facebook, chat apps, IMMs and their morts, you name it.  The proliferation of players being able to play as many pinns as they want is the detriment of this game.  If we were limited as players to a small number of pinns, you'd see far greater interaction, far more diverse PK.  The acceptance of dying in PK would be greater too because so-and-so can't just sac your shit so his/her up-and-coming pre-50 can go venturing for it in a few hours.  The playerbase is too small to handle as many pinns as people play.  That has always been my opinion.  Any more than two is too many.

Ever wonder why Foxx knows who plays everyone?  Or why that certain nemesis always logs on exactly at the worst time?  You get the point.

How is it impossible for the player base to talk about it? You're just speaking to how and why feuds exist. 

Just because one person and another are about in an OOC ring  doesn't stop everyone from being like "I want this changed" thread popping up every week.

I'm saying let's focus on the core of the game, the rp. If we give up that then it's just going to be the same as it is, which you appear to hate.

Meh, tried.

[Kyzarius]

16 hours ago, Ulmusdorn said:

Do something about it then.

I've tried.  I bring people here and they yawn and go to sleep over the MASSIVE time commitment required.  I made suggestions on how to reduce said commitment to get people into the action quicker and make the pace more relative to other games that are competing for time and none of the suggestions are taken seriously or made.  At that point, I have a job, a wife, two daughters, and a son, not the time to spend soap-boxing this place day and night to get nowhere.  

So I just do my thing, and honestly play other games.  I suggested opening the box on the cooler things like automated cabal inductions, or quest things being made more common again automated, tattoos etc etc. .  The answer is , we like it this way, we wont do that. Well seems only a handful of people like the current permutation of FL as a result. 

@Mali hits the nail on the head with the gate-keeping that goes on and the lack of automation.  You shouldn't HAVE to go to some ooc forum to play the game.  As a customer you should never be told, oh yeah ooops so and so is out of town so that is why you just waited a week.  Or the arbitrary dragon assignments, flippant interpretation of the rules as  I get told my DESC is to long one day, (this was a few months back) then when its approved after I truncate it the first character I encounter has one 3x as long.  Then a few chracters down, Im following these guidelines and get told "I can do better".  Like this is some school assignment. 

So I play ESO, and Eve, drop an hour into LOL here and there.  Spend my free time PVPing with friends, space battles, and running dungeons and raids for gear.  These things offer quicker rewards with way less stress than FL.  Where I can have whatever special characters I have the time to make without being limited by some rule set invented back when numbers mattered.  

So yeah, Do something about it, and whiny players will "want it all" are the answers we get.  Apparently if they don't get it here they will just go elsewhere.  There is 1 character on.  Oh well. 

 

 

 

On another subject entirely.  People complaining about cheating, or imms helping others somehow in secret are out of your damned minds.  That is the most ridiculous utter bullshit I have ever heard.  I have played here for a long long time.  And though I share an apathetic approach to if things will ever get better when the doors do ever close I will leave a part of me locked inside.  Never has an imm done anything to cheat for me, or offered me anything, and I know them quite well over the years.  The idea that folks really challenge the staffs integrity like that is insulting.  

Then we have the poor me pity crowd crying every-time they lose.  Complaining that it sucks when others beat them, and they get pandered too.  You do well in FL and you will eventually run into the "you cheat because I cant win and i hate losing so I'm going home BS."  I have actually been reprimanded for winning, told to stop doing well because so and so cant handle losing.  Both of these concepts are toxic and bad.  It is a shame they dominate our community with their negativity and really take whats left of the game and piss on it.   Their cries of poor me are to the point that the staff just gets inundated every-time anyone does anything.  

My character Lycanthus got exiled by an imm in the recent plot, and I go in character on prayer being a sour barbarian about it,  and the default thought of the imms is I am having an ooc rant, like WTF.  I put in an application for a custom race, and get transferred because my DESC approval might need to wait on my app and the default kid-glove response from the staff the moment I offer any dissent is "are you going to be ok?"  When did that become the default expectation?  It is the result of people bitching every-time something doesn't go their way.  Characters come up, play, die once and yell at you.  The saddest thing is watching a new IMM start out.  They are generous, and involved, then once they are exposed to the toxic complaining that some people throw out they quickly become jaded and reclusive.  Just sad.  

[Trick]

Lol do we have enough players for OOC rings? 

[f0xx]

11 hours ago, Mmm Beer said:

Ever wonder why Foxx knows who plays everyone?

It's called common sense.

[Kyzarius]

@f0xx and I can smell each other a mile away.   Like to antithetical beings nullifying each other. 

[f0xx]

52 minutes ago, Kyzarius said:

@f0xx and I can smell each other a mile away.   Like to antithetical beings nullifying each other. 

True story.

Although, I would never guess you played Lycanthus. Thought it was some random noob.

[Mmm Coffee]

3 hours ago, Lloth said:

 

Where can I redeem this apparent imm voucher for extra stuff?

 

My second qthing took over a year to get.

I was only referring to having OOC knowledge that can be used by their morts. Like knowing when the best non-locateable equipment is in, knowing when your cabal enemy is traveling through Gear, etc.  I'm not saying they get any privileges but those are kind of privileges in themselves.  Anyway, my post wasn't so much about OOC as it was about limiting the number of pinns people play for the sake of more immersion and character development.

[Lloth]

We are disallowed from using ooc info. 

Can't log out of our imms and log on our morts without a 15 minute window, either, specifically to prevent stuff like that.

I just find the whole concept that any of us do that to be pretty insulting. We just plain don't care. Not to be confused that we don't care what you guys are doing, we do. I mean to say that the imms that are good at PK don't need to worry about who is where or what they have. Those that aren't good at PK don't care about PK, certainly not enough to lose our positions over getting a cheap shot in.

[Kyzarius]

Limiting what people can and cannot do is the problem in my opinion @Mmm Beer

 

I want another vamp, but no i cant unless i delete my other character.  Some of the rules make sense like being in both sides of a vendetta, but others just make the game boring. 

Tell me i can only have one or two pinns? I will play half as much. 

[Tantangel]

@Lloth along with pretty much every other rule to prevent abuse as seen in 'help commandments'. It's pretty straight forward I think as to why none, or most at least with maybe a couple exceptions , would actively wish to do any of those things just to lose out on being an Imm. I always figured that for the most part many Imms would log into either their Imm or their character to play to at least randomize the experience so the 15 minute rule didn't really ever get infringed upon. I myself try to log in at least 5 minutes apart, but that also depends greatly upon what's going on. I've accidentally logged into an older character a few times when I had been intending to go for my current one because I had a brain fart moment. Then I've also had those moments where I thought I was fine, go to play and then it hits me I probably shouldn't have eaten at Taco Bell. But again, shit happens.

I don't think that having a qclass/race should matter whether or not you can get another while still keeping the previous character. The characters should have very different personalities to them which should make it so they shouldn't be hindered for wanting to play others. If someone really wants to put in the effort of achieving and maintaining those characters, they should be. The limited positions for qraces/classes I don't believe is hard coded into the game, so why limit other players if they want to shove the time into it? Especially in the case of people like @Kyzarius who could steam roll through many, but then people just log off when they see the character pop on. At least if he had something else to occupy his time with when everyone runs, he could play on another character with a different and rich background embedded and still get his fix.

I just say open up Newbie chat to everyone regardless of level. It ensures new players coming in can have a chance at getting their questions answered at most points of the day. Newbie Arena needs a huge facelift if it's not already being worked on right now. Maps should go away entirely and replaced with a link to @Acele's map. The exception would be the map to Maelbrim and such for finding guilds.

[Rygothran]

4 hours ago, Kyzarius said:

 I put in an application for a custom race, and get transferred because my DESC approval might need to wait on my app and the default kid-glove response from the staff the moment I offer any dissent is "are you going to be ok?"  When did that become the default expectation?  It is the result of people bitching every-time something doesn't go their way.  Characters come up, play, die once and yell at you.  The saddest thing is watching a new IMM start out.  They are generous, and involved, then once they are exposed to the toxic complaining that some people throw out they quickly become jaded and reclusive.  Just sad.  

To be honest, the "are you going to be ok" was just me being a sarcastic ass to cover up the fact that I had no clue about the situation and was making assumptions. With no other staff around at the time I had to make a decision.

I'm new so cut me some slack! I would prefer to be fun and avoid becoming jaded. Some people do love to grind gears though.

As far as immortals using OOC knowledge... That is amusing. We go out of our way to intentionally avoid doing it. In the past certain characters have been scrutinized heavily to the point where it became unbearable to enjoy playing a mortal.

We enjoy this game just like everyone who plays it. We do not wish to make anyones experience less than fun.

[Kyzarius]

oh i took no offense @Rygothran.  My point was how gun shy you guys seem to be that a player at any moment is just going to explode in a shower of madness. 

[Tempirion]

Gun shy and customer service is a different thing.  Don't worry we're shaking our heads whispering "look at this asshole" 😂

[Magick]

37 minutes ago, Tantangel said:

,,, then it hits me I probably shouldn't have eaten at Taco Bell. But again, shit happens.

http://instantrimshot.com/

[Tantangel]

I would have to say that gun shy and customer service can go hand in hand depending on the situation. You're more likely to develop being gun shy when you're disciplined for doing something you thought was right and turns out you were wrong and getting a verbal warning though. When people start complaining about a character because of how good they are, there's ways to beating them with the right tactics. Or cheap ones. Either way. It shouldn't deter Imms or other players from wanting to play the character again as people will bitch no matter what. This is why I don't really reveal who I play. Not so much because people will bash on me for my 'amazing PK', but more so that there's always the risk of someone specifically targeting the character because it is played by me. I suck ass at PK after all. In at least the Imm's case, they can ban the person from the forum at least, the downside is them telling everyone outside of the forum via Facebook or any other way. Even then though, just keep playing them. Despiser left over a decade ago, I don't know whether he ever came back or not, but why cause people to be forced to such conclusions? If you get killed you still have a ton of lives to make up for it. And even if you choose Hardcore, how many people actually burn through them that quickly?

[Ulmusdorn]

4 hours ago, Tantangel said:

And even if you choose Hardcore, how many people actually burn through them that quickly?

*Raises his hand*

 

Gotta remember that not everyone has management experience either, and dealing with you lot requires that sort of thought process - being a hard ass and empathetic at the same time. 

TBH ooc rings only exist because people allow them to or want them to. I personally am not involved in a single ooc ring of have ooc contact with a single other player. I actually only found out recently that there is a facebook group for FL (lol!). If you're not interested in the bullshit don't buy into it. 

If you can't tell who an imm's mortals are (and you shouldn't really be able to) then I think we're doing a good job. Otherwise some of the abuse and bullshit we have to deal with would equate to us grouping up into a super group and chasing you around.  

 

[Dale]

I would talk to people when I played but I like to think that I was one of the more responsible ones. I tell ppl not to tell me who plays who because it ruins the intensity.  But sometimes after interacting with a lot of you for so many years I have found that it's actually very easy to figure most of you out, or have a good idea.  Play styles, rp styles, places and strategies you use to fight at. It all adds up and the human brain is designed to notice patterns.  Without saying anything names I bet there are three of you who I'd figure out who they are within a few days of playing.  

 

On a side note I would like to say that I like how difficult it is to get certain things, I still get excited when an m inducts me into the cabal.  I've only had one tattoo and that was with Zygnar lol.  And even though I can not pk with the best ninjas that, alongside being E in watcher ( say I didn't earn it I dare you) and being an awesome thorn monster made him a very distinguished character.  Now if all of those things were automated Zygnar wouldn't have been so fun or lasted as long as he did.  

[Tantangel]

Management is always a plus if you can apply it, which it seems to work really well even at a Cabal level if brought to the game as well. It depends on the company you work for though, my brother has a very shitty manager who makes people cry a lot, and he was just promoted after 4 months. The company I worked for had one of those type of managers in the area I live in, and he was demoted from a Director spot down because of his attitude. OOC rings will always exist. I joined the group a long time ago, and I actually read it when I wasn't playing. I haven't been on there in a while though, not since Balinor tagged me in a post on it to come back and play. I finally did, and he's no where to be seen as far as I know. I don't use Facebook as much though anymore, and the people I talk to on there are pretty limited. A lot of people asking me lately if I actually quit my job and what my plans are, but no one about the game in some time. I actually contemplated not coming to the forum once I did begin though for the fact that I wasn't sure how I'd be perceived or if it would bring me any joy in doing so. I went maybe a month without touching it and playing, figured out quite a bit looking at various changes including RP points, and I had been quite amazed by how much had changed in that time I had been gone.

@Ulmusdorn, I can see how some people can go through them quickly. My hardest foes are usually the MOBs which will piss me off since I should've known better. I think MOB deaths shouldn't count towards your total lives though, because I've had characters with 5-0 and 10 deaths to MOBs when I would play very defensively. My favorite class to date is Psi, but the couple times I've gotten them I almost always regret it since I usually feel the previous class was so much stronger, but the RP behind it usually more than makes up for it to me. The biggest thing for not playing for so long was the time I had free. My job took 12+ hours every day from me including travel time, and then add in any social life I may have along with about 300 games I could play at any time when I was home. In many cases, I think the Imms do a great job at managing things in the game whether from previous experience, or just playing the game and learning as they go. I've not seen any abuse over the years since I began playing, but I was often a neutral unbiased voice in terms of seeing and hearing what goes on. Often times when I post about something in Prayer my answer is given pretty quickly, and I usually don't argue about the decisions involved. In short you, and all the others I think do really well at it. If I die to an Imm from their Mortal character, I'm not going to go scream foul play. If it's a close fight, I would ask for tips, and being steamrolled means I would have to figure out what I did wrong. I have a feeling though if many were to roll and play a character that they could take on a group and come out on top still.

[Mali]

The ooc thing was a very small part of Kyzarius' argument. Focusing on that alone as a point of opposition is distracting.

 

In any case, the thread was made to see who is still around...

 

At least four or five of the players we had then have passed on. Another aspect of attrition.

[egreir]

It's 2017 and y'all still got gatekeepers? Show me the Key master 

 

 

ghostbusters? No?

[Magick]

2 minutes ago, egreir said:

Show me the Key master

Wish granted:

And Ghostbusters, yes.