Implementor Erelei Posted August 18, 2017 Implementor Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 Hot Change Date: 08/18/2017 Cabal leaders and elders can now promote within their cabal. Cabal leaders can promote up to trusted, while cabal elders can promote up to veteran ranks. View full hot change 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 Woah. Breaking the chains dude nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tantangel Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 Does that mean for Cabals that have Leaders who can promote up to Trusted level mean that Trusted wont require the 5 RP points minimum to be such? I know how easy 5 is to attain, but I'm curious if that's still a requirement before hitting Trusted or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magick Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Tantangel said: Does that mean for Cabals that have Leaders who can promote up to Trusted level mean that Trusted wont require the 5 RP points minimum to be such? I know how easy 5 is to attain, but I'm curious if that's still a requirement before hitting Trusted or not. As morts can't see how many RP's you have, that is correct. The L can promote to T even if the minimum 5 is not been acquired. I'm under the impression that like qthing requirements, the Trusted position minimum is also coded in since you can spend RP's and fall below the minimum rather than just not having enough. This means that a note will be generated to both the new Trusted as well as the Immortals stating that said character doesn't meet the minimum, and if said character doesn't gain the minimum points in X amount of time, they risk demotion. I'm 97% confident that this is accurate, though if I'm wrong, I'd love for an Imm to correct me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tantangel Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 That's pretty much what I am expecting the answer to be, but figured it would be good to clarify it if not. That minimum is very easy to get by just doing one of a few things, but I am not 100% sure whether it will or will not be changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magick Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 Why would it be? Or better yet, why should it be? It's more likely they'll fall below minimum through purchases than not having them to begin with, though sure, there's a chance someone won't have the minimum. to begin with If that's the case, when they're auto-demoted and the question is brought to bear why it happened and they didn't get the required, the fault is completely on the promotee. Another attempt could be made with a caveat, for example, and if it fails again ... /shrug. However, if said E/L abuses this promotion system, the cabal Imm is there to step in if need be, but this should be rare though, as I doubt they would have made L without some trust from the Imm. Obvious exceptions being those that coup their way to the top. And if this hypothetical abuse becomes a problem and/or wide spread, then this privileged will likely then be revoked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 That's dumb. I can see rp being required to hold rank, but it should be based off to attained in lifetime not how much you hold. It is after all a currency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fool_Hardy Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 Why would anything regarding RP points change? >Promote Magick System check, check fail, autoresponse. >Magick has not met the requirements to join a faction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magick Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 The minimum is laughably easy not to spend though, Dale. Not like RPs are hard to get and you only need to bank 40 for the minimum for everything (restrung royal qthing leader). It's not like it's compounding: restrung (5) royal (40) qthing (20) leader (30?) for a total of 95 banked. The fact that you're using a currency for positions is fine as is, I think. It offers a short term trade off, have enough RPs to keep your qthing, or buy that edge or what-have-you. But this is a different discussion entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tantangel Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 That's pretty much my point in terms of it being still a limit or not though. Would it mean that the person who's promoting them get a message stating they're below the limit so the Leader knows? Or would it just promote them and send the note? And if the limit is removed, what stipulations would be put on gaining that level inside the Cabal at that point? 5 RP points is enough to basically buy more learning lessons for languages , but the next most affordable thing is 20RP points. I know of 3 quests that give RP points that give you more than enough to keep it if you do accidentally go below the threshold. History of a character can give you a pretty decent boost as well, on top of journal logs, RP logs, and varying other methods. I've usually got about 70+ by level 30 if I have a clear purpose on a character. Characters I just want to tinker with to see if I like the class or not I end up with far less. Will it ever happen to me? Probably not, but it is nice for people in the future who haven't ever asked the questions or a clear answer to actually get one on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magick Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 41 minutes ago, Tantangel said: That's pretty much my point in terms of it being still a limit or not though. Would it mean that the person who's promoting them get a message stating they're below the limit so the Leader knows? Or would it just promote them and send the note? And if the limit is removed, what stipulations would be put on gaining that level inside the Cabal at that point? If the system works like the other auto-generated messages (like multiple PKs pre-20), then the only people that would get that message is the promotee and the Imms. The person promoting, in this case the L, shouldn't know except in the off chance that the promotee has less than 5 RPs and did nothing to gain more before their demotion. In short: it should promote them and sent the note. And again, why would the limit be removed or otherwise adjusted? Nothing was said that it would be, not that the current RP requirement isn't easy to achieve anyway. As for stipulations, removed limit or not, ask the Leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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