The dragon and the wolf

[Dale]

Are you guys excited?

[Zhurong]

whats "the dragon and the wolf?"

[Zhurong]

Must be something about Rygothran and Iukkut.

[Dale]

Game of thrones season finale bro.

 

[Wade]

I wanna know how this season ends, but the pacing has been balls so far. 

I can really feel the difference from now and when they had source material to go off. 

They've dialed down the nudity and ramped up people's plot armour. 

It kinda feels like a marvel movie to me but oh well, always the cynic. 

 

[Lloth]

It's all fan service. I'm too invested to not know how it ends, but at this rate its not something im sure I want to, either. The writing without GRRM is like a 13 year old's first attempt at a fanfic.

 

The books makea point to show the futility and suffering of war, and introduce consequence and gritty realism to the fantasy genre. The show, starting in season 4, has been doing the exact opposite.

 

Stupid decisions go unpunished if a main character makes them. Smart characters go stupid for a few scenes just to drive the plot, which is so LOTRish that the entire draw is gone. The pacing is done at breakneck speeds, defies physics, and is so contrast to how they approached the rest of the series (even 4-6), that they have to change entire characters and force interactions just to finish on schedule with the show's projected lifespan. 

 

It's like they were terrified of moving past the source material for 2-3 years, and tgen once they dud they were like "oh this is actually fun for us.... RACE TIME!!" Which is dumb, lazy writing.

 

 

End rant.

[Pali]

*shrugs* I'm still greatly enjoying it, flawed gem that it is.  It's possible that the show will end up being the only ending we ever get to the Song of Ice and Fire, given how long GRRM is taking to continue the series, and I'm excited to see how it ends.  Some of the criticisms of recent seasons that can be found floating around the internet I agree with, some I don't, and many simply don't bother me in the slightest either way.

 

edit: But then, I didn't hate Mass Effect 3's ending either, so maybe I just let things slide more than some.  

[Dale]

I don't know how you can even rant about the show compared to the books.  They were an excellent source for an amazing show, which isn't perfect but numbers don't like it's a damn good show, but I have no respect for a guy that offered to have a fan finish his book for him because he is tired of writing it.

[Kyzarius]

Looking forward to it, but my wife and i both agree the pacing is off.   Way to short of a season.  

[Pali]

Yeah, 10 episodes seems to be the sweet spot for season-length on highly serialized shows (which these days is most shows).  8-13 seems to be the min-max: fewer than 8 and you don't have enough time to develop things, more than 13 and you start having too much filler.  Still, I can forgive the showmaking issues that forced the short seasons (and other issues like never seeing Ghost these days), which boil down to time and budget constraints, and even some of the wiring/plot issues seem to stem from the how being unexpectedly needed to finish the story themselves rather than by Martin's hand.  While this was perhaps their mistake in not realizing that he has a history of taking several years to get the next book out, Martin himself is always giving much shorter and more optimistic projections - he consistently fails to meet deadlines he has agreed to.  Plenty of blame to go around there.

[Vaerick]

I think something that's important to note is got being popular is our culture fricking winning. I mean think about it. Got is essentially a d&d type Genre that literally has dungeons and dragons involved. I can't think of any series along those lines that were so popular for so long. It's like the entertainment version of when Rome converted. America has always shunned that type of entertainment from being mainstream and yet here it is.