Ogrin

[Atticus]

Done for a while.

Took alot to bring me to the point to quit again.

It wasnt so much the gear, but the hatred i got from spending the time to get the Gear, and all I heard from the majority of people was "yer suit yer suit"

Grats to the shaman who dug through my corpse to loot sac me after I teleported.

Grats to Dwek for giving me another lesson that regardless of the suits and time I put into the game, theres going to be something rolled to kill me.

Knights, really enjoyed the interations.

Rygo thx for killing my people.

 

yeah, thanks for the toxic play time guys.

[Zoichan]

You took one death and you're done?

[Unknown Criminal]

Well... that sucks. I was looking forward to more battles with my chars, we never killed each other but your also a class that mine are super no good against.

Or maybe it was just your gear

UC

[Kyzarius]

Pfft.  One death? One loot?

Come on.  

Someone looting for a good suit isnt toxic.  Its part of the game.

[f0xx]

See @Unknown Criminal, that's what happens when one full loots.

Also, EQ didn't win this fight for him.

[Atticus]

 

It's not the "one death, one loot"

It's that all I heard was that I was only my eq, half of the people were OCC flaming. It's like I was being insulted for putting time into the game, people out of no where with no interaction felt the need to just be as hateful as they could muster.

I now feel for the top tier pk fiends in the game, because I know now a fraction of the hate people have for someone who really works at their character. In my two deaths, I know I made mistakes- and I'm fine with those. In the end it's actually a relief, because I thought I wouldn't learn from this character. I had a fun time with those who gave me a chance to show my characters depth. 

[f0xx]

It's this spiteful attitude that IMMs really need to work on keeping in check.

But it's a hard task, considering some of them are guilty for this very behaviour...

[Mmm Coffee]

A little of the old pot calling the kettle black don't you think?  Everything you just described as being done to Ogrin is what I experienced from Ogrin to the point I had to ignore you to avoid going OOC a couple weeks ago.  And I saw a log of one other dirty little PK you did while the player was training, unprepared, and obviously AFK - which you looted/sac'd the few good items he had.  So, my friend, karma is a bitch.

@f0xx - he's not as innocent in this as he claims. And the IMMs shouldn't have to monitor ADULTS playing a game.

[Atticus]

Lol you mean the dude talking mad smack which I gave him everything I took to start an RP?

Sure the entire log left out what he was going on about so I'm going to shrug off your post.

 

[Rygothran]

We are all human and we all have tendencies to do things that may effect others negatively.

Back to the point of this thread: Ogrin.

I am personally sad to see you give up so easily. I know at times other players can be frustrating. No one likes to lose and no one likes to deal with some of the drama that comes along with playing.

That being said, I enjoyed our interactions. I was interested to see where it was going to go. I hope that you didn't feel like they were negative in any way because my goal was to push you in interesting directions.

You don't have to stop playing Ogrin. I personally hope you change your mind. Dust off the bs.

[Kyzarius]

You know the angst from others comes as a sign you were doing well. 

Isn't it the old RPG adage? "If you see enemies you are going the right way. "

[Mmm Coffee]

1 hour ago, Atticus said:

Lol you mean the dude talking mad smack which I gave him everything I took to start an RP?

Sure the entire log left out what he was going on about so I'm going to shrug off your post.

 

Not trying to flame here but you need to show a little more self-awareness as a player.  Just to keep this on the side of truthfulness, the log I read showed no interaction at all until after the PK.  You talk about getting looted but that's exactly what you did to this character when he was obviously AFK and you killed him with ease.  He was still wearing emerald brooches and onyx rings and you looted several pieces and sac'd the two nice things he had....again with an easy win since there was no fight back and to a char who you had previously no interaction (per what the log showed and what he says).

How do you expect that type of behavior to NOT result in a toxic exchange between players?  Hypocrisy at its finest if you ask me.

[Atticus]

Per the log you were shown. Not much to hold there. Actually interacted with the character even before they were pinned. All good man, everyone has their opinion.

Hated me, loved me- Ogrin was a character that I took on to see as a viable support character in some plots that I've often been one to engage in, and am very guilty of letting stagnate in some areas of rp plot development on a multitude of toons.

Perhaps I was too generic in my rp, thus some took my comments are snarkish or cynical. Regardless of the issues there are some very awesome players and rp outnthere. I just feel burned, feel like there's like a lot to learn before I can start cherry picking corpses. 

If I haven't stated it, the top dogs in pk- sorry for what you guys deal with, because me being weak as hell and just decked I know I just felt a fraction of what you guys have dealt with for years.

 

[Unknown Criminal]

4 hours ago, f0xx said:

See @Unknown Criminal, that's what happens when one full loots.

Also, EQ didn't win this fight for him.

 @f0xx, i can't speak for Ogrin but I don't think it was about being looted but more 'the way' he got looted. Like @Atticus said it took him 'alot of time' to put that suit together, someone teleporting around to find your corpse just to sacrifice a few things is straight up pissing on and disrespecting your time. Its really a dirty VET move that should be saved for people you hate, not your general competition.

If someone killed one of my chars legitimately they have the right to leave me naked, sure it would suck but I'd be looking for revenge. In a situation where if my opponent didn't get the killing blow IMO he didnt earn the right to go through my corpse for the sole purpose of making our next fight less challenging for him.

Anyhow I hope to see Ogrin make a swift return  

[Magick]

14 minutes ago, Unknown Criminal said:

In a situation where if my opponent didn't get the killing blow IMO he didnt earn the right to go through my corpse for the sole purpose of making our next fight less challenging for him.

Actually, you gave them the right when you chose anything other than the moderate tier.

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MODERATE
  - Non-rares (outside of gold) cannot be looted from their corpse.
 - Only two rare items may be looted from their corpses by the perk who killed
  them.
 - In turn, they cannot loot more than two items from the corpses of their 
  victims.

RUTHLESS
"To the victor go the spoils of war" is the motto for all who follow this
path. This tier is for those who are experienced in the realm of Playerkilling
and seek to reach higher levels infamy. Those who choose the RUTHLESS tier
will live a life of constant danger:
 
- Upon death, They can be fully looted by other Ruthless characters.

 

You don't want random people going through your corpse?  Be a smurf.

[Fool_Hardy]

Wow.

So only brief interactions and adjacent interactions with this one @Atticus.

The RP was gruff, your flying the flag of a full cabal, and well dressed. By some peoples standard, you had everything going for you.

Then there are the others, those seeking to enter your opposing cabal. They have a vested interest in seeing you weaker.

It is in there best interest to take you down a notch before they have to engage you regularly.

To some its a dirty trick, but if you think that you are looking at it through lenses biased by things like kindness, compassion, and fair play. These values do not apply to EVIL people.

While I feel bad for you @Atticus, I do not discourage the actions taken against you (i.e. looting, not the ooc trash talk). The RP fits the scenario, from an outsider reading in.

And most important, Discover yourself some Smurf Love: 1) cant wear the god suit, ooc bs talk stops, 2) no full loots, 3) everyone looks great in blue.

 

[Dale]

As satisfied as I am to see you but hurt over some eq I just have to say seriously?

 

If you can get that suit you can do it again and again and again.  You know how many times I got pissed with gruudik or vindis or Raemus because I lost eq I felt was pivitol?  No, you don't delete you run up on Kurvihkel and slaughter him half baked or sit at their pit hidden waiting for hours to get a perfect blackjack and seal the deal.  Or you stock up on anything you might need to get you our of a sticky situation.  Raemus wasn't that bad ass he just knew how to get and survive and used every protection every time.  A meaningful character isn't deleted after a full loot.

[Mali]

Great character!

[Unknown Brother]

Every time I hate fighting someone, I'll full loot them and PRAY that they delete. I hate when they suck it up, put on big boy pants and I gotta keep fighting them. People I like fighting, have a good time against and most importantly can't loose to. I don't touch their set. If you're looted, your a threat. They don't want you back.

[Fool_Hardy]

We measure the man not by how many times he falls, but by how many times he gets back up. (you know what to do)

Interesting fact for you @Atticus, the only two times I have been looted in the last several years were on a dwarven cleric.

You have what is perceived as easy access to the equipment you need. We know better, its a hassle to get alone, but doable every time.

This makes dwarves the perfect pack mules in Aabahran, they get equipment easily, they are great PVE, and often easier to kill for that equipment than the original mobs.

Just food for thought brother. Keep it in mind when those who may be seeking your suit are lurking around.

[Zhurong]

IMO your gear should be based on your fighting style. If your a dwarven cleric and you go hit/dam gear, you best be hoping to do some melee dmg, otherwise your a walking target for eq. if you plan to fight long fights while ac/hp/saves gear (whatever combination of those) then that is how you dress. less desire you kill you, harder to kill you and you usually out last everything. with hp/mana gear a dwarf cleric could have insane numbers.

[Unknown Criminal]

40 minutes ago, Magick said:

Actually, you gave them the right when you chose anything other than the moderate tier.

You don't want random people going through your corpse?  Be a smurf.

Gameplay mechanic wise yes, respectful to your community player wise no.  

[Anume]

Personally, I am also of the opinion that you should loot a char heavily only if they are a very hard fight (threat to you), did something to royally piss you off, or you need their eq. 

Looting someone who took a teleport death, pit humping and the like will always happen though I don't think it's classy behavior.

I know you got given a good starting set from someone else's kill and full loot (and I mean full loot as in there was nothing left). That other char fell back on his feet though. There is a reason we have a viable set of cabal gear around now, it's a lot easier to start over.

You shouldn't throw in the towel so fast.

[Magick]

20 minutes ago, Unknown Criminal said:

Gameplay mechanic wise yes, respectful to your community player wise no.  

True.  And I agree with you 100%.
But which one will be enforced in the current system?  Not our feelings, that's for sure.

[Unknown Brother]

6 minutes ago, Magick said:

True.  And I agree with you 100%.
But which one will be enforced in the current system?  Not our feelings, that's for sure.

I think if our feelings get catered to, too often FL would lose something. In my opinion anyway.

I play FL for the same reason I'm addicted to the Dark souls games. You die, over and over... relentlessly, unmerciful. You die so much and so bad you want to throw the controller in rage... but when you do beat that part, or that boss, or that player you've been stuck on for a few days.. That feeling of accomplishment is something that I've never felt outside of FL and Dark Souls.

 

I remember when I was playing my super old Watcher, Osris...Oswin or something... He was an avian  ninja, and there was a justice blademaster dwarf that was ripping shit up. I landed an assassinate on him after dying close to 15 times over a few weeks and I nearly passed out from the headrush I got from finally killing him, but it wasn't just a study+assassinate. He had a watchtower, I had to push him out of it, make him follow me as I ran around studying him for about an hour irl, just rinse and repeat. He was predicting strangle as he always had, so I just had to hide, bite my lip and wait for him to walk in as I spammed Assassinate Chr.

 

I legit almost fainted from that kill. 

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Also, about 12 years ago I remember I was about to do my first PK after watching UC play this silly game. I leveled up Jasper, my first character (Faerie battlemage), and he goaded me into it.

"Get him, go get him" he said towards me jumping some DKN. (Mind you, I've been pk fodder the whole rank to about 35 where this took place, UC used to kill me on Nydardaloth and Trigimournis(sp?) and I'd hear him giggle in the other room..)

He walked me through it, "Go in there, flashfire, disarm him, sharpmetal", I nodded

As I ran in and flashfire, the fear gripped me like I've never felt (I was about 14 years old at the time) I ran away from my chair, yelling at UC to take over, because I legit had to puke.

Needless to say, I died. Full looted. As was the practice back in the day. You never had anything to ever come back to, unless they straight disrespected you or using you to feed a malform.

My point to this story is FL has HUGE downs, depression and fear that grips you like no video game does, but it also has the same highs. Head rushes, endorphin boosts and a feeling of accomplishment. 

#HighonFL