f0xx Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Watch and learn, RPers of FL. https://twitter.com/i/web/status/910100283463798785 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaunticles Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 So are you saying Morgan Freeman is lying or do you believe Russia is innocent of interfering in a democratic election? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manual Labour Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Morgan Freeman is just a mouthpiece for this, and it is propaganda. If you look at who the people behind the making this video are you quickly see it is incredibly biased. Hillary lost fair and square but she is so delusional she refuses to accept any personal responsibility which she makes apparent in her book and on her tour. She simply can't fathom that maybe people actually don't like or trust her, imagine that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaunticles Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Who are the people behind the Morgan Freeman Video? Do you really believe everything that has happened to Trump is a conspiracy orchestrated by Hillary? If you have been paying attention to politics you should know that it's Trump who can't get over the election on Twitter. Until recently Hillary has stayed out of politics since the Trump's Inauguration, she recently just did a book and went on NPR, and few shows talking about how she didn't like Trump and how bad he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manual Labour Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 10 minutes ago, Gaunticles said: Who are the people behind the Morgan Freeman Video? 10 minutes ago, Gaunticles said: Do you really believe everything that has happened to Trump is a conspiracy orchestrated by Hillary? No, I believe everything that happened to Hillary she believes is a conspiracy against her and America. 10 minutes ago, Gaunticles said: If you have been paying attention to politics you should know that it's Trump who can't get over the election on Twitter. Until recently Hillary has stayed out of politics since the Trump's Inauguration, she recently just did a book and went on NPR, and few shows talking about how she didn't like Trump and how bad he is. I can't think of anyone else that lost a presidential election write a book and go on tour so soon after the loss and also blame everyone BUT themselves for losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaunticles Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Hillary isn't some Magneto or Dr. Doom that can be blamed for all the Trump Administration woes, even though ULT right would have you believe it. Trump's worst enemy has always been Trump, when you say and do stupid things you get stupid prizes. He caused the Mueller investigation, he caused the media to turn critical of him by attacking the credibility of the media pre-emptively. Yes the video is biased but it has some truth in the material. Russia did meddle in the Election, Trump won the electoral college but not the popular vote. Maybe there is something to it maybe not, waiting on the Mueller investigation to finish before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manual Labour Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Who is blaming Hillary for the Trump admin woes? The mainstream media's political bias is not a new thing. Pop culture, education, and mainstream media in America has been leaning farther and father left for decades now. I have not yet seen any proof that Russia meddled in the election and certainly not to the extent Hillary is claiming. Trump won fair and square. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaunticles Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 35 minutes ago, Manual Labour said: Who is blaming Hillary for the Trump admin woes? 35 minutes ago, Manual Labour said: I have not yet seen any proof that Russia meddled in the election and certainly not to the extent Hillary is claiming. You are. and Russia meddling has been confirmed by the United States Government. I tend to believe the United States Government more than Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manual Labour Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Not sure when and where I blamed Hillary for Trump's administration problems but if you say so... Maybe I'm not well informed as a Canadian but I don't recall hearing about any actual proof about Russia meddling in the election, are you sure it wasn't the Macedonians? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaunticles Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 It's been a huge talking point on the news for a long time that Trump will not acknowledge Russia meddling even though all agencies of US government have come out and stated without a doubt this election was attacked by Russia. By the way, what is the difference between this video and videos in the past created during events like WW2 getting people involved as a country for a unified for a cause? Was it inexcusable for Hollywood actors to voice their opinions against Hitler and his conquest of Europe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manual Labour Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 17 minutes ago, Gaunticles said: It's been a huge talking point on the news for a long time that Trump will not acknowledge Russia meddling even though all agencies of US government have come out and stated without a doubt this election was attacked by Russia. This is very vague, where can I find proof? Have any links I can follow that will enlighten me? 17 minutes ago, Gaunticles said: By the way, what is the difference between this video and videos in the past created during events like WW2 getting people involved as a country for a unified for a cause? Was it inexcusable for Hollywood actors to voice their opinions against Hitler and his conquest of Europe? Propaganda is part of politics, I never said it was inexcusable. That being said I also don't think there is anything wrong with pointing out propaganda when you see it, coming from either side I might add. I think unifying against Hitler was a very good idea. He was a very bad man with a horrific agenda. What does that have to do with this conversation? Are you suggesting Trump is Hitler and the world needs to unite against him? If so I am afraid you are very mistaken and you will find facts proving Russian meddling LONG before you will ever prove Trump = Hitler and that is because it is simply untrue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaunticles Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/06/us/politics/russian-hack-report.htmlhttp://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/jul/06/17-intelligence-organizations-or-four-either-way-r/https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/10/21/17-intelligence-agencies-russia-behind-hacking/92514592/https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/intelligence-director-says-agencies-agree-russian-meddling-n785481 9 minutes ago, Manual Labour said: Propaganda is part of politics, I never said it was inexcusable. That being said I also don't think there is anything wrong with pointing out propaganda when you see it, coming from either side I might add. I think unifying against Hitler was a very good idea. He was a very bad man with a horrific agenda. What does that have to do with this conversation? Are you suggesting Trump is Hitler and the world needs to unite against him? If so I am afraid you are very mistaken and you will find facts proving Russian meddling LONG before you will ever prove Trump = Hitler and that is because it is simply untrue. This isn't about Trump, it's about Russia hacking the US election. Mueller's investigation is expanding from Russia Investigation and now investigating Trump, Trump family, and associates. I don't know what that means yet until they finish the investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted September 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 34 minutes ago, Gaunticles said: By the way, what is the difference between this video and videos in the past created during events like WW2 getting people involved as a country for a unified for a cause? The difference, my friend, is that in WW2, you were getting unified against the aggressor. Right now, USA is the aggressor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 3 hours ago, f0xx said: Watch and learn, RPers of FL. You should watch the news on CNN or BBC... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaerick Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Seems to me the Russia story is solely built to preserve Clinton and by default neoliberalism itself which has by and large failed. If it hadn't a grandpa from Vermont wouldn't have raised her money dollar for dollar without corporate backing. The dnc refuses to admit that they are a decaying institution solely propped up by political bribery. Its also worthy to note hrcs polling popularity is -still- worse than trumps. It's also worth noting that the us among many other nations all engage is some degree to political interference in elections elsewhere. Trump is a scumbag not worthy of the presidency but he is what he is and people are tired of getting lied to. No one can say that he has changed much in personality, and he has only caved into the bare minimum of what the imperial American powers demand. Not a defense of him but I don't see hrc as better. We should have had Bernie. To date trump has been more keen to go after Children who insult him than the senator from Vermont. That should speak volumes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 For the sake of clarity, there is no evidence I'm aware of that Russia hacked the election in any sort of direct way - compromising voting machines, altering vote tallies, that sort of thing. While there is abundant evidence of weaknesses in the various systems used by the states, I'm not aware of any known incidents of actual tampering being found. What the CIA, NSA, FBI, and the US Director of National Intelligence agree on is that Russian-backed hackers penetrated the DNC and RNC and selectively released information via Wikileaks intended to benefit Trump in the election. That the hackers were of Russian origin is agreed on not only by the US intelligence community, but also by multiple private security firms that investigated the initial hacks. Further, there is growing evidence being currently investigated that Russia made large-scale use of bots to spread false or misleading news stories and alter search results via Twitter, Facebook, and other social media platforms. What Mueller was tasked to investigate was possible collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian govt. - the above issues aren't a part of his investigation, but are being looked into by the intelligence community and Senate. However, Mueller was also given broad latitude to expand the investigation into any other illegal activities uncovered during his work, so exactly where it will end up is somewhat unknown. P.S. If people voted Trump because they were tired of being lied to, they voted for the wrong guy. He is either the most dishonest or the most delusional President we have ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manual Labour Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 Gaunticles you posted 4 links to essentially the same article. I misunderstood what you meant by meddle which is why I asked for proof. Many countries show interest in who gets elected elsewhere, and the USA has meddled in countless other countries over the years. Hacking is kind of dirty but all the powers are doing it right now not just Russia. They leaked information to sway the minds of people, swaying people is politics and it is not illegal or even immoral. If Russia had actually altered the votes somehow then yes that would be bad. Or if Trump had specifically asked for their help to win him the election that would also be bad, so I guess we will wait and see what happens with the investigation. But thus far there is no proof of either of those two things. I still think Russia is being blown out of proportion by the left to use as an excuse for losing more than anything. @Pali based on Hillarys long list of excuses I think she is more delusional than Trump by a wide margin. I also believe that she is more dishonest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 Speaking of propoganda. Seems the engine is at full throttle. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/09/22/why-bashing-morgan-freeman-of-all-people-is-suddenly-the-rage-in-russia/?hpid=hp_hp-morning-mix_mm-freeman%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.edca0db7a3f1 Apparently Morgan struck some cord somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manual Labour Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 Attacking Morgan Freeman is stupid, he is just the mouthpiece for this. I saw Rob's interview with Tucker and this video is indeed misleading. Rob claimed that in no way is he trying to unite Americans to actually go to war with Russia, he just wants people to be aware of the cyber war that is currently going on. Even though in the video he talks about America going to war to save democracy and shows plenty of images of soldiers being deployed (cuz he is a huge hypocrite). He also ignores China completely, and every other country involved in the international cyber wars currently going on. I said it before and I'll say it again, Russia is being used by the left to stir up hysteria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaerick Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 Washington post is straight up the cia talking lol. Bezos and the post took a lot of their money. And any time they open up their pens it reveals what the imperial powers want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Criminal Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 People that believe anything an 'actor' says are idiots. No matter how respected an actor someone is he/she never says anything publicly that isn't paid for by someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 Just now, Vaerick said: Washington post is straight up the cia talking lol. Bezos and the post took a lot of their money. And any time they open up their pens it reveals what the imperial powers want. Well it was reported on 6 sources lol. WAPO was just on the list. And has a clean site for ads and such. Not much of an op-ed really. Just sites the rise in incidental media attacks against Freeman. They are attacking him personally, which is funny imo. Though they are focusing on the image that "america is a democracy" as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaerick Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 Well attacking freeman or any of the others they choose is silly I agree. I was just commenting on wapo and all of ap really being the narrative drivers rather than news sources. Wapo is notorious for doing opeds without showing conflicts though. Pro war pieces by Raytheon execs for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 6 hours ago, Manual Labour said: @Pali based on Hillarys long list of excuses I think she is more delusional than Trump by a wide margin. I also believe that she is more dishonest. The people who actually fact-check politicians and keep track of their lies disagree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaerick Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 It's not Hilary's delusions that bother me as much as the "donations" from banksters. And now it's kinda funny that Obama is cashing in from those same banksters, none of which went to prison for the damage they did. Speaking fees are payments for services rendered on the back end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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