f0xx Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 Like, how many? My fingers are running out trying to count them.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magick Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 Click the "remove formatting" or "paste as plain text" link that appears after you paste, please. Not everyone is using the same theme as you and black on dark grey is extremely squinty without highlighting it. At least the date is clear and bright blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloth Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 It's a picture, not text. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magick Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 Edit: Seems the thing didn't load properly for me the first time. I retract my statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted September 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 I forgive you, young one. I won't be nuking your country today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 Don't look at me, I've been calling Trump an idiot from the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted September 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 It doesn't matter if its Trump, Clinton, Obama, Bush or w/e.... The whole establishment calls for more wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaerick Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 The rich have always waged war to gain more for themselves. America is the modern imperial power so thus they will be involved in more conflict. It goes all the way back to early kings speaking of how God chose them all the way to today with how somehow they are magical job creators who shouldn't be interfered with. The longer their leash the more wars there will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 7 hours ago, f0xx said: It doesn't matter if its Trump, Clinton, Obama, Bush or w/e.... The whole establishment calls for more wars. Actually, it does matter. Clinton would not be threatening to destroy North Korea in such a manner - nor did Obama, W, Bill Clinton, Bush Sr, or Reagan. The bluster related to North Korea is a uniquely Trumpian bit of stupidity. "The establishment" is not some giant, monolithic, unified beast. Who wins elections matters a great deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaerick Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 Whoa pali. Before we say Clinton wouldn't have been aggressive it's important to remember It was Clinton who wanted a no fly zone in Syria to shoot down Russian aircraft. That's a bigger powder keg than Korea could hope to be. At that point it's a major power attacking a major power. Not a major power attacking a proxy for another major power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaerick Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 I think trump is disgusting but they were both poison. And to some degree whoever got elected was going to fall in line with what the imperial power wants. Call it the bureaucracy or deep state or intelligence or whatever the powers that be have done what they wanted on the global scale since Kennedy was killed regardless of who was president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted September 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Pali said: Actually, it does matter. Clinton would not be threatening to destroy North Korea in such a manner Aye, you are right. Replace NK with Russian then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 53 minutes ago, Vaerick said: Whoa pali. Before we say Clinton wouldn't have been aggressive it's important to remember It was Clinton who wanted a no fly zone in Syria to shoot down Russian aircraft. That's a bigger powder keg than Korea could hope to be. At that point it's a major power attacking a major power. Not a major power attacking a proxy for another major power. The US and Russia have shot down each other's planes in no-fly zones before. Even if a no-fly zone had been established and the US shot down a Russian plane, Russia's response would not be war - that would be suicidal, and Putin knows it. Also, there is a major difference between proposing a no-fly zone for humanitarian purposes - even if there are risks involved - and threatening to destroy a country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaerick Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 If we weren't arming multiple factions it might be a humanitarian crisis that our force could assist. If pentagon armed militias and cia armed militias weren't fighting each other it might be something we should be involved with. But that crisis was by and large created by our interference... Which hrc had no problem continuing. We shouldn't forget that we went from bombing 2 nations under bush to 7 under obama with hrc promising more. None of these people are for peace or even legitimate force. They're for continuing to use other nations as a playground so weapons manufacturers can make more money and american politics can stretch that much further. Let's not pretend the leadership of any major party is out for peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaerick Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 The worst thing about the Korea situation, is by Trump's ignorant rhetoric we are now playing at the same level as North Korea. Sabre rattling and issuing hollow impotent threats are the stuff of weak men with no character. He's not going to bomb Korea, the system itself won't let him do that. They (the triumvirate of Kelly, McMaster, and Mattis) are trying to gently point him in the direction of the spheres of the middle east and africa, but his ego won't let him take any insults so he keeps getting involved in areas that he will never act and has no interest in acting on. He's a big fricking baby. A Joffrey type character who thinks being president has some magical power, that he isn't responsible for actually piloting the ship of government. His words on North Korea are a disgraceful temper tantrum for all the world to see, but not anything that anyone will let him mess with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 Neither party wants war with Russia or North Korea either - there is no benefit, no upside to be had from such for just about anyone. The parties are largely rational in how they act, and both know they would gain nothing from starting such wars. This is the unique danger that Trump presents - he ISN'T rational. He isn't pragmatic. He risks these conflicts not based off of real concerns, but because he is a narcissist and an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaerick Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 If you think Trump's in control of what the military is going to do you haven't been watching. Kelly wouldn't be chief of staff and McMaster and Mattis wouldn't have the influence they do- it'd still be buggers like bannon. That's the far reaching bureaucracy attempting to stablize. Now, that's not good by any measure because it is proof beyond words that the functioning democracy has ceased to exist in any meaningful way in terms of national direction. It does mean though that we aren't going to wake up to him sending nukes all over creation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaerick Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 What we're seeing now is like the rule of Commodus in Rome, but in the modern age. Netflix actually did an excellent documentary on his reign and the political status at the time and it is remarkable in the similarities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 What you are proposing is that the military would undertake a coup before following his orders. Do you really think we'd be in the situation of thinking "a military coup is our best defense against the President's insanity" under anyone other than Trump? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manual Labour Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 And didn't some study show that Hillary is closest to Nero when compared to Roman emperors? Speaking of the middle east that is probably the other major reason it was a good thing Hillary did not win. Slick Willy did a shit job as president where the middle east was concerned, then you had Obama basically handing Iran the nuke, if Hillary won, the days of the American/Israeli alliance would have likely been numbered, and all hell literally breaking loose in the middle east would have been imminent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaerick Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 You're making politics a lot more ultimatimly than it really is. No I'm not saying the military is going to oust him with violence. I'm saying that if he doesn't fall in line either Muellers investigation is gonna come up for sure and topple him or they will release other ugly shit he's done and oust him that way. Just look at the news, they're doing their level best to run his numbers into the ground for just that purpose. Right wrong or indifferent, politics isn't just what you read in the papers. It's dirty, grimy, and all kinds of actions are on the table that people fail to realize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fool_Hardy Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 Truce not treaty means we have been at war with NK since before any of you were born. Trump did not start the war. He is just rekindling an old flame. No opinion just a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaerick Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 People in the Bureaucracy have presumable access to all kinds of ugly shit of Trumps- it's not like he's hidden it over the years. Pence is clearly more malable when it comes to the desires of not only said Bureaucracy but also the republican party and their backers at large. Infact the taps from Koch didn't get turned on until Pence was in. So basically all they need Trump for is to keep a relatively small portion of the population from losing their shit. And every day that number drops because the media is dead focused on everything he does. They say to him look, if you don't comply on these certain issues we'll release xyz or we'll do this or that whatever, but in the end you're out and pence is in. So if you don't want to go to prison/be impeached you fall in line. They don't need violence to achieve this. This is the political "backroom" talk that everyone mentions in whisper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaerick Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, Manual Labour said: And didn't some study show that Hillary is closest to Nero when compared to Roman emperors? Speaking of the middle east that is probably the other major reason it was a good thing Hillary did not win. Slick Willy did a shit job as president where the middle east was concerned, then you had Obama basically handing Iran the nuke, if Hillary won, the days of the American/Israeli alliance would have likely been numbered, and all hell literally breaking loose in the middle east would have been imminent. If you're just trying to blame democrats you're missing the point. And no one living has a clue about what Nero was really like lol so anything along those lines is silly. Look at how the American Empire does business abroad- not taxation, and rights, etc, but look to the bigger world view and I promise you all of a sudden red and blue start looking awfuly similar. When FDR died and a profoundly weak man like Truman took over, it was to America what Julius Ceaser being made dictator of Rome did for them. When Kennedy was assassinated and LBJ took over it was essentially when Augustus became Emperor, thus forever changing the system. This is important because ever since LBJ they have all acted essentially the same way. We bomb, or otherwise regime change whoever doesn't fall in line with our expectations, regardless if they were good or not. We install tyrants to ensure our positions and we bomb the world indiscriminately when others don't adhere to our demands. That is what imperial dominance and hegemony looks like and it doesn't matter if they wear a red or blue tie. That's the distraction from the truth and the truth is where money leads the nation follows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 I think you overestimate the ability of Republicans to control Trump, and underestimate Trump himself and the cult of personality he's built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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