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The rich have always waged war to gain more for themselves. America is the modern imperial power so thus they will be involved in more conflict. It goes all the way back to early kings speaking of how God chose them all the way to today with how somehow they are magical job creators who shouldn't be interfered with. The longer their leash the more wars there will be. 

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7 hours ago, f0xx said:

It doesn't matter if its Trump, Clinton, Obama, Bush or w/e....

The whole establishment calls for more wars.

Actually, it does matter.  Clinton would not be threatening to destroy North Korea in such a manner - nor did Obama, W, Bill Clinton, Bush Sr, or Reagan.  The bluster related to North Korea is a uniquely Trumpian bit of stupidity.

 

"The establishment" is not some giant, monolithic, unified beast.  Who wins elections matters a great deal.

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Whoa pali. Before we say Clinton wouldn't have been aggressive it's important to remember It was Clinton who wanted a no fly zone in Syria to shoot down Russian aircraft. That's a bigger powder keg than Korea could hope to be. At that point it's a major power attacking a major power. Not a major power attacking a proxy for another major power. 

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I think trump is disgusting but they were both poison. And to some degree whoever got elected was going to fall in line with what the imperial power wants. Call it the bureaucracy or deep state or intelligence or whatever the powers that be have done what they wanted on the global scale since Kennedy was killed regardless of who was president. 

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53 minutes ago, Vaerick said:

Whoa pali. Before we say Clinton wouldn't have been aggressive it's important to remember It was Clinton who wanted a no fly zone in Syria to shoot down Russian aircraft. That's a bigger powder keg than Korea could hope to be. At that point it's a major power attacking a major power. Not a major power attacking a proxy for another major power. 

The US and Russia have shot down each other's planes in no-fly zones before.  Even if a no-fly zone had been established and the US shot down a Russian plane, Russia's response would not be war - that would be suicidal, and Putin knows it. 

 

Also, there is a major difference between proposing a no-fly zone for humanitarian purposes - even if there are risks involved - and threatening to destroy a country.

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If we weren't arming multiple factions it might be a humanitarian crisis that our force could assist. If pentagon armed militias and cia armed militias weren't fighting each other it might be something we should be involved with. But that crisis was by and large created by our interference... Which hrc had no problem continuing. We shouldn't forget that we went from bombing 2 nations under bush to 7 under obama with hrc promising more. None of these people are for peace or even legitimate force. They're for continuing to use other nations as a playground so weapons manufacturers can make more money and american politics can stretch that much further. Let's not pretend the leadership of any major party is out for peace.

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The worst thing about the Korea situation, is by Trump's ignorant rhetoric we are now playing at the same level as North Korea. Sabre rattling and issuing hollow impotent threats are the stuff of weak men with no character. He's not going to bomb Korea, the system itself won't let him do that. They (the triumvirate of Kelly, McMaster, and Mattis)  are trying to gently point him in the direction of the spheres of the middle east and africa, but his ego won't let him take any insults so he keeps getting involved in areas that he will never act and has no interest in acting on. He's a big fricking baby. A Joffrey type character who thinks being president has some magical power, that he isn't responsible for actually piloting the ship of government. His words on North Korea are a disgraceful temper tantrum for all the world to see, but not anything that anyone will let him mess with.

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Neither party wants war with Russia or North Korea either - there is no benefit, no upside to be had from such for just about anyone.  The parties are largely rational in how they act, and both know they would gain nothing from starting such wars.  This is the unique danger that Trump presents - he ISN'T rational.  He isn't pragmatic.  He risks these conflicts not based off of real concerns, but because he is a narcissist and an idiot.

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If you think Trump's in control of what the military is going to do you haven't been watching. Kelly wouldn't be chief of staff and McMaster and Mattis wouldn't have the influence they do- it'd still be buggers like bannon. That's the far reaching bureaucracy attempting to stablize. Now, that's not good by any measure because it is proof beyond words that the functioning democracy has ceased to exist in any meaningful way in terms of national direction. It does mean though that we aren't going to wake up to him sending nukes all over creation.

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And didn't some study show that Hillary is closest to Nero when compared to Roman emperors?

Speaking of the middle east that is probably the other major reason it was a good thing Hillary did not win.

Slick Willy did a shit job as president where the middle east was concerned, then you had Obama basically handing Iran the nuke, if Hillary won, the days of the American/Israeli alliance would have likely been numbered, and all hell literally breaking loose in the middle east would have been imminent.

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You're making politics a lot more ultimatimly than it really is. No I'm not saying the military is going to oust him with violence. I'm saying that if he doesn't fall in line either Muellers investigation is gonna come up for sure and topple him or they will release other ugly shit he's done and oust him that way. Just look at the news, they're doing their level best to run his numbers into the ground for just that purpose. Right wrong or indifferent, politics isn't just what you read in the papers. It's dirty, grimy, and all kinds of actions are on the table that people fail to realize.

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People in the Bureaucracy have presumable access to all kinds of ugly shit of Trumps- it's not like he's hidden it over the years. Pence is clearly more malable when it comes to the desires of not only said Bureaucracy but also the republican party and their backers at large. Infact the taps from Koch didn't get turned on until Pence was in. So basically all they need Trump for is to keep a relatively small portion of the population from losing their shit. And every day that number drops because the media is dead focused on everything he does. They say to him look, if you don't comply on these certain issues we'll release xyz or we'll do this or that whatever, but in the end you're out and pence is in. So if you don't  want to go to prison/be impeached you fall in line. They don't need violence to achieve this. This is the political "backroom" talk that everyone mentions in whisper.

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5 minutes ago, Manual Labour said:

And didn't some study show that Hillary is closest to Nero when compared to Roman emperors?

Speaking of the middle east that is probably the other major reason it was a good thing Hillary did not win.

Slick Willy did a shit job as president where the middle east was concerned, then you had Obama basically handing Iran the nuke, if Hillary won, the days of the American/Israeli alliance would have likely been numbered, and all hell literally breaking loose in the middle east would have been imminent.

If you're just trying to blame democrats you're missing the point. And no one living has a clue about what Nero was really like lol so anything along those lines is silly.

Look at how the American Empire does business abroad- not taxation, and rights, etc, but look to the bigger world view and I promise you all of a sudden red and blue start looking awfuly similar. When FDR died and a profoundly weak man like Truman took over, it was to America what Julius Ceaser being made dictator of Rome did for them. When Kennedy was assassinated and LBJ took over it was essentially when Augustus became Emperor, thus forever changing the system. This is important because ever since LBJ they have all acted essentially the same way. We bomb, or otherwise regime change whoever doesn't fall in line with our expectations, regardless if they were good or not. We install tyrants to ensure our positions and we bomb the world indiscriminately when others don't adhere to our demands. That is what imperial dominance and hegemony looks like and it doesn't matter if they wear a red or blue tie. That's the distraction from the truth and the truth is where money leads the nation follows.

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