Absolutely Done With The OOC And Player Favoritism

[Dale]

Cmon guys just relax.  Dragging this out isn't going to improve the game at all.    This is not the way that leads to peace among the players and the immortals.  This path only leads to more despair.  We can sit here and nitpick to what we believe the rules are and how they should be followed.  You know I can understand that UC feels like he was wronged, and truthfully at first I felt like he caught the bad end of it too IG with Hornecka but after I heard the entire story I realized that it was way more complicated than that.  Regardless, once you are wronged in a way the way you react after really determines the outcome.  5 rp really is nothing to lose for breaking character or RP, it sounds like the other guy broke character, which is worse IMHO but breaking RP although you may not have done it on purpose and in your eyes you feel like you were right it really is dishonorable from a GLAD pov.  Minotaurs are tricky because I really felt like you could get away with more evil stuff with them, especially playing a berserker, but then again I don't play WMS or many neutrals.  I think that this threat should have really been closed a long time ago and the reason it hasn't is because the imms are letting you guys blow off some steam, yet I still sense some dick's feeling the need to be waved.  When it comes down to it, this is their game, they are in control and tbh I'm okay with that, I just came back after two years to find not only is the game still in tact but its like all new and I feel like a 14 year old all over again playing, you guys should just relax, no one is perfect.  You are going to die, there are going to be people that you seemingly can't defeat but if you keep trying and keep a calm head, hell I bet Kotrag would even help you out if you dropped the beef.  I can PROMISE you from being E in syndicate twice that it WAS NOT PERSONAL TO HIM.  He is just as likely to help you out without a price on your head as he is to collect it when there is.  And I have barely interacted with him.  Anyway I could type a lot more and try to wrap peoples heads around what needs to happen but no one will pay any attention to it so 

 

out before thread locked.

[Lexi]

I honestly don't understand why people are taking such a hostile tone for someone being docked 5rps. Similar punishments happens all the time in all the muds I've played, it's really not a big deal. If you disagree with the reasons for the punishment, discuss the situation in a calm and constructive manner.

How hard can it be?

[Celerity]

25 minutes ago, Lexi said:

I honestly don't understand why people are taking such a hostile tone for someone being docked 5rps. Similar punishments happens all the time in all the muds I've played, it's really not a big deal. If you disagree with the reasons for the punishment, discuss the situation in a calm and constructive manner.

Not sure I agree with the hostility part, but there is interest in this thread because it is a much, much larger issue than the single incident. To the point that it is a systemic issue, one that clearly frustrates both staff and players. Everybody wants the game to work and be fun. Often this desire to correct issues is greater than the desire to have good relations, so people get upset at one another.

25 minutes ago, Lexi said:

How hard can it be?

Well, that depends on the base reference. If you are calmly discussing something well-defined, objective, and otherwise clear, it is easy. If not, it can be nearly impossible.

Most violations ARE discussed in a calm, constructive manner. Most frustrated players don't take their issues to the public forum because of this.

A subset of (typically irrational) players WILL take it public. This isn't necessarily bad thing, however, because it allows for a public discussion of issues that individually we might not want to make a scene over, but collectively, need addressing.

Issues like this typically aren't addressed until people make a fuss, and so, people make a fuss. @Unknown Criminal's rather weak case is simply a catalyst for the real value of this thread. Closing the thread is one of the worst things the staff could do, as long as reasoned discussion is still occurring, because ignoring/dismissing/hiding from an issue doesn't make the grievance go away and usually exacerbates it.

I feel this thread has made some big strides on the topic.

I don't especially want to press all these points I make in my points (it takes a frustrating amount effort on my part too and often strains relationships - I'm sure I'm not the favorite of the staff because of my vocal efforts), but they need to be pressed, because the staff is not aware, does not agree, or aren't handling the issue without the fire under their butts. 

[egreir]

I enjoy good relations. 

[Anume]

UC, then you should simply have explained the situation, aka 1. I did not know they were fighting someone else. - I do not belief this is the case and you clearly did not say it.

2. They had attacked me before. - You said someone in his organization has killed you 4 times before.

You did not explain this, you dropped link and then posted this thread.

 

As to your "rp" notes. Why did you feel this would actually speed up getting un-outcast? They were a pain to read for everyone. Had you stuck with your chars rp and just shown that your char understood how to behave as a neutral Gladiatior, this would have fully sufficed. I do not think you really understood this though. In the end, I un-outcasted you, having the choice between that and a denial. I am always for giving people yet another chance.

 

[Anume]

And Celerity, we can just agree to disagree on a good many things. I do not think that all aligns should be treated the same, else we would have only one align. Goods have the advantage of being able to request and not being killed by other goods, evils can attack everyone but also can be attacked by everyone. This is also a game balance feature. Neutrals can group with everyone, generally won't be attacked by goods but need a good reason for their pks. I think it is a bit arrogant to sell your personal opinion as the only truth and state that all others do not understand the game or its rules. We, the current staff, are a very easygoing staff and a player can discuss most anything with us if they feel they are being wronged. 

We've also discussed closing or deleting this thread, but I think we should allow some open discussion. On the other hand, the fact remains that some players will feel the need to post troll comments, when they really have no idea about the situation. This is often the case in such threads. This brings along a lot of negativity to the forum, aka the Imms are unfair, the Imms are biased, etc. An Imm is also a human being and as such we will use best judgement. We also discuss things, amongst each other, so inconsitencies will be few. The current stance to neutral behavior is not MY personal pov. It's been this way since I started as a level 52. 

And with this, I am finally going to lock this thread. Feel free to continue on prayer if you feel the need for it. UC, if you want to, we can also chat in game, sometimes having a talk about many small situations leading to frustration can clear the atmosphere and help everyone to get a fresh start. Offer stands, up to you.