Berston (Warmaster L) VS Rhi (Syndicate V)

[Manual Labour]

Who has time to roll 5 characters, pinn them, and compare HP? That is some dedication right there if someone actually does it haha.

[Trick]

10 minutes ago, Fool_Hardy said:

Though, viri once said human berserker was the most powerful combo, and people laughed.

You sure it was Virigoth? I know Irumeru preached that human berserkers were amazing then he made one and 'changed' some stuff and made human berserkers strong(er).

I might make one someday and test it out myself. 

[Manual Labour]

Didn't Irumeru only play humans? Was he also Behrens? Also wasn't he fired for cheating?

I'm trying to think what would make a human a better zerk than other races? I guess the lack of vuln is good and "decent" dexterity.

You don't have much lagging power, you would think a werebeast would be better though since it is like a human with an extra transform perk.

Duergar and Dwarf also seem like stronger small size choices despite the vuln.... I dunno.

I would think a Minotaur is arguably the best on paper because of giant size, no vuln, and super charge, but there may be factors I am not considering.

It would be fun to see a feral or slith zerk even if they are not that strong.

[Fool_Hardy]

Maybe @Fireman been a lot of lights in the sky in my time here. I think many still come around from time to time.

#missmalch

[Trick]

39 minutes ago, Manual Labour said:

Didn't Irumeru only play humans? Was he also Behrens? Also wasn't he fired for cheating?

I'm trying to think what would make a human a better zerk than other races? I guess the lack of vuln is good and "decent" dexterity.

You don't have much lagging power, you would think a werebeast would be better though since it is like a human with an extra transform perk.

Duergar and Dwarf also seem like stronger small size choices despite the vuln.... I dunno.

I would think a Minotaur is arguably the best on paper because of giant size, no vuln, and super charge, but there may be factors I am not considering.

It would be fun to see a feral or slith zerk even if they are not that strong.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Lol.

Well, the reason humans are good now or at least competitive is because Irumeru(Behrens) made changes to humans that give them a higher chance to land skills like haymaker, headbutt, and cleaves. He then rolled a Human Berserker, went Gladiator, and kicked some serious ass. The name was A-something. He ran around with stormbringer double gripped and used the sword form to cause huge damage after he landed his haymakers.

I firmly believe that FGs make the best berserkers because of the fire proficiency giving them a massive edge defensively. I think berserkers, as a whole, are pretty lacking in a lot of things and I don't believe that removing their cap "fixes" them, but there are a TON of other things that needed to be addressed before berserkers, one of which being battlemages.

Minotaurs are great. Lloth, as well as a few other players,  swears up and down they are the best overall race.

I'd love to see a Knight berserker do well,  but I have my doubts. I think they COULD do well, but its not as easy as say a warrior would be. 

[Fool_Hardy]

2 hours ago, Manual Labour said:

I'm trying to think what would make a human a better zerk than other races? I guess the lack of vuln is good and "decent" dexterity.

At that time, the honest answer was level advantage human 0exp cost. It did not hold true for 50vs50 battles. But a level 30 human berserker would be fighting a level 27-28 Minotaur, level  40 vs level 35-36. 

Other than that I could never see an  advantage, but we did not hit 50 moderately trained in one day back then either.

[Unknown Criminal]

I would take out all human advantages, give them 0 exp penalty and allow then to rank to 51.

[Fool_Hardy]

There is nothing wrong with humans. They do not need a fix.

They already have access to every q-thing and every class except one.

I do not want to see so and so's level 51 psi casting at an even higher level.

Edited because it was incorrect.

[Unknown Criminal]

1 hour ago, Fool_Hardy said:

There is nothing wrong with humans. They do not need a fix.

They already have access to every q-thing and every class except one.

I do not want to see so and so's level 51 psi casting at an even higher level.

Edited because it was incorrect.

A level 51 human psi still wouldn't be as strong as a level 50 'high int ' psi, from my knowledge  

[f0xx]

6 hours ago, Unknown Criminal said:

I would take out all human advantages, give them 0 exp penalty and allow then to rank to 51.

There are some classes which human is the best race for. That level 51 will give them even more of an edge (which they don't need).

Although I agree humans need a bit something more, I think it would be best if we stick to the general D&D lore, which usually describes humans as rather "colorful" race, capable of great compassion and goodness and unthinkable evil at the same time. They are, from what I've read, the "bards" of the races, who live and learn fast, like every day is their last. Hence why it is said they usually make good magicians, since they manage to learn in short time what other races take tens of years to grasp.

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3 hours ago, f0xx said:

There are some classes which human is the best race for.

Only one I can think of is paladin, and that's debatable. 

[Magick]

Monk is one.

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9 hours ago, Magick said:

Monk is one.

Behind half elf and undead, sure. 

[KRins]

1 hour ago, Wade said:

Behind half elf and undead, sure. 

Undead is a complete outlier and I think we are talking base races.  There is also DEFINITELY no way a half-elf monk is better than a human.  This is actually one where I can appeal to my own experience to tell you half-elves are not the best at anything.

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On 09/01/2018 at 3:28 PM, Erelei said:

Dex is a monks main stat which helps with chakeras (a lot btw).

Id rather have the 22 dex from half elf given what Erelei has said to me in the past. 

[KRins]

My first 6 pinns were half-elves.  Unless MASSIVE unspoken changes have gone through, I can testify I have had stronger monks, blademasters, pre-design bards, rangers and thieves in different flavors than half-elf.

[Celerity]

Half-elf = higher dex = more chance to prog chakras

[kamikazi]

Half elf is the best monk. Undead taken out of the equation of course, as undead monks are kick ass.

[Fool_Hardy]

6 hours ago, kamikazi said:

Half elf is the best monk. Undead taken out of the equation of course, as undead monks are kick ass.

What about avatar?

I have had the best luck with half-elf as well FTR.

[Magick]

38 minutes ago, Fool_Hardy said:

What about avatar?

Always assume base race before looking at cabals and quest stuff.

[Fool_Hardy]

I am just musing that a half-elf gone avatar would presumably have the best stats for a monk.

I have only seen one that I remember, and he went WM.

Beat the dickens out of my Crusader in all of our challenges, but taught me the most valuable lesson ever while doing it. The art of ebb and flow.

 

[Manual Labour]

Didn't know Avatars could be WM!

[Anume]

Avatars can't be warmasters.

[f0xx]

17 hours ago, Celerity said:

Half-elf = higher dex = more chance to prog chakras

Are you certain about that?

There used to be a drow monk once.

He sucked bad. 

The IMMs also didn't gimp him in any way. They said the race gimped him enough.

*shrug*

[edit] Actually I even think it was the player behind Berston who played it. You can tell the dude has a knack for weird combos, and he sometimes even does well with them

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It must of been changed, because the old code suggests that chakeras are based off the following:

Your anatomy in their race
Your skill in anatomy
Hitroll
Level difference
Luck