Deleted FG Feign Select

[Unknown Criminal]

Omg wow, what a  warrior lore to absolutely stay away from! Feign.

Not even to talk about the absolute garbage sword / dagger combo (especially for a fg)  from a  shear lack of quality worth, as is the combo sets itself up to be tooled.

I love warmasters for their 'let's simulate pk' challenges and I encourage everyone to hit these boys up for a couple, it's how I usually test out new race class combos.

This fiegn warrior though is super shit...  Compared to being able to disarm noremove weapons OR keep people from fleeing or the other main selects it's an absolute joke that I wouldn't wish on @f0xx himself, yes, that says a lot.

Regardless of what, leading with murder then feign is bad, you get messed up because your opponent isn't blinded.

Leading with dirt.... two round lag then feign is horrible where it takes 3-5 rounds to initiate that feign depending on what your opponent does in those first couple rounds in return. Yes it's a good select 'in theory', however it takes waaay too many rounds vs anyone to get the upper hand which always leaves you more than a step behind. 

If bad things happen (aka you are losing) feign can't help, it's offensive and defensive suckage where a 3 attack polearm smashes your 8 attacks, but maybe vs a cleric could be good...?. Anyhow, trash, don't do it.

 

 

[Tantangel]

Want to elaborate with logs? Did you delete, or just warning people not to choose it in the future while you use RP points to reselect? I'm curious how it would work with a Halfling Warrior myself considering their greatest strengths lie in both swords and daggers.

[Fool_Hardy]

Probably would have more synergy with a halfling.

[Unknown Criminal]

I chose adventurer perk to rank really fast and test it out, had good melee eq, 108 parry, 109 two handed and 102 dodge with 50+ hit and dam. Yes all major skills mastered, 4th attack, riposte, counter, etc. 118 sword.

Being a fire giant your strength comes from using fire based weapons, the super hard to find decobro wasnt in so I was using a flaming longsword which is decent but far from good,  as for a fire based dagger there isnt one to my knowledge past the blazing. 

Mob battles almost burnt out my get sword.;wield sword;dual dagger trigger, so a noremove sword is an absolute must for this lore.

The feign skill itself takes waaay too long to ramp up especially where getting  tripped or bashed resets it. VS mobs its cool to watch the skill progress, I cast detect magic and saw some side effects stick around while others vanished on the tick. The effects that stuck around would not sway combat to your favor in the least.

Being in a PK situation feign cannot help you, by the time you dirt kick your opponent would have already 'done something' else which will get you reacting.

VS a rogue or hybrid you need to straight up dirt and bash else they will just flee. VS a mage its 'ok' but you dont need to do anything vs a mage besides murder, dirt and chase. VS a ranger/necro again its basically dirt then re-aim, no opponent is gonna stand in front of you long enough and allow a full feign combo to complete. You will either be dead because of their battle tactics or they are running away because your base melee skills are too much.

The bad weapon stats on swords and daggers alone are an offensive / defensive nightmare, they dont parry that well and can be parried easily in return. There are better lores for better weapons, even powergrip. 

The only way I see this lore becoming viable would be if it was made into an auto skill like the shield bash, as it is now it has zero effectiveness PVE or PVP. 

 

[Tantangel]

Did fou actually kill the dragon to see if it was actually in or not? It doesn't wield it after all and almost every time I've killed it it had the sword in its corpse. Do you need to be using two serious, two daggers, or a combo of each in order for it to work or just one? If only one, you could have gone solar mace dual wielding a dagger or sword in the process. I'd say meat kleefer or the one from desolation if they're about. You could have gained the soul forge even, but there are some really nice daggers and swords out there that you can dual wield making life easier too.

[Trick]

He doesn't understand how it works. 

[Unknown Criminal]

48 minutes ago, Tantangel said:

Did fou actually kill the dragon to see if it was actually in or not? It doesn't wield it after all and almost every time I've killed it it had the sword in its corpse. Do you need to be using two serious, two daggers, or a combo of each in order for it to work or just one? If only one, you could have gone solar mace dual wielding a dagger or sword in the process. I'd say meat kleefer or the one from desolation if they're about. You could have gained the soul forge even, but there are some really nice daggers and swords out there that you can dual wield making life easier too.

Yeah, took a while to kill it but I checked.

i actually didn't try using a different main weapon, just focused on the best fire weapon I could get since I was a fire giant. If I had been another race I would have chosen different weapons.

23 minutes ago, Fireman said:

He doesn't understand how it works. 

Weapons aside, understand how what works? You need to feign (and land it) 4 consecutive times to get the money shots that only last until the tick, getting tripped, bashed, lagged by anything or forced to do anything other than feign starts you back at ground zero. Even feigning across a tick sets you back, missing a fiegn is a 2 round lag.

@Fireman i understand that there are much more devistating (fight winning) things I could be doing over the course of 5-6-7-8-9 rounds. When compared to other lores that are either automatic OR happen in from a single command to cause an effect this one is by far the most innaficiant. 

Perhaps instead of just calling me dumb in a polite way please feel free to enlighten me and or anyone else who may attempt to choose this lore, the purpose of this post for the most part was to save future players from the aggravation and eventual quick delete of their character. 

 

 

[f0xx]

I have actually played an ogre feign warrior in Glad (Rangoku), it's not as bad as you make it out.

I think Trick actually means that you do not understand how to properly use it and set it up than actually understanding how it works. From what I read in your posts you actually don't understand how to properly use it indeed.

The lore is actually not that bad, I would even say it's well balanced.

[Trick]

Nope. You made up your mind and posted without trying different tactics, weapons, or asking for help. You got it all figured out man.  

[Unknown Criminal]

@Fireman Nope, never said I had anything all figured out, just posted about the experience I had. I thought I had explained why I didn't use different weapons as well as pointed out it's the only lore that takes x rounds to set up instead of just working regardless of a weapon selection. 

I tried different tactics in combat, murder feign, dirt feign, slam feign, counter feign, feign flee, or whatever. It still boiled down to me needing to feign x amount of consecutive rounds to get the money shots. The way you are talking you are insinuating feign can be landed without having to type it x rounds in a row, rounds in which I've stated there are many better things someone can be doing offensively. 

Now if you don't have anything helpful to the community to say on the subject then stop posting on the subject, your quips aren't contribution, they make you come accross as disrespectful to the community of future players that may be reading this.

[Trick]

Just disrespectful to you, but you pretty much have had that demeanor towards everyone here so is it really that shocking to receive it back?  <-- You always putting these little smileys after your posts, for instance. 

I've played two feign warriors, one was during the ORIGINAL era and one was after the change and again through the toning of it. Its an extremely effective warrior lore that YOU as a PLAYER failed to execute properly and then thew a fit about how bad it is.

F0xx did it well. I've done it well. I know of two other players that have done it well. Its user error. 

[Unknown Criminal]

I never used to use the smilies until people started misconstruing my posts, they think I'm writing out of anger when it's actually their own mood that interpretates the dialog. So I started adding more smilies just to show that I'm in a good mood and the post should be read in a happy go lucky demeanor.  

As a quick example: You just said I threw a fit because I didn't know how to use this warrior lore... What world are you living in? Because in MY world I happily rolled an adventurer perk warrior to try something I've never tried before, i had fun fully training him and then pinned in like 12 hours. I also had a great time going to blood with a few nexans and I had fun getting my ass kicked in the ford, not once did anything resembling a "fit" get thrown.  

I knew by the time I was done equipping that I had tested on enough mobs, had a few PK encounters and a couple challenges that this lore wasn't for me. So I happily deleted with a sense of accomplishment that I did exactly what I wanted to do. I happily posted my experience and POV where in which you politely called me dumb for no reason, then you try to make it look like I'm whining and crying because I couldnt rule the world, user error and I'm a FAILURE, lol.  

Like I've said to 100 people beforehand, try getting in a good mood before interpreting text, you will bring less people down with you  

Anyhow, you posted 3 times on this thread and said nothing intelligent, insightful or helpful to anyone. If you had a successful feign warrior 'good for you chap', why not lend some secrets of that success with the goal of creating some future competition out of someone who might roll one for a serious run.

Please don't mind the smilies, I'm just in a good mood and would like my post read by people who are also in good moods  

 

 

[Magick]

8 minutes ago, Unknown Criminal said:

If you had a successful feign warrior ... why not lend some secrets of that success

Until the rules are changed toward selectable skills (and I think they should, as this is another great example), its still a taboo subject.  He can likely allude to certain things, but that's about the extent of it.

Number 5:

 

[Unknown Criminal]

@Magick that's why I didn't say what the effects were, just said that they take waaay too long to get going. All I would expect out of a successful player of the class would be for them to (insert basic fiegn strategy) in order to give the next players of the lore a ballpark to play in.

[Trick]

Of course, bud. I'm sorry if I thought you were throwing a fit. Given from the "OMG" factor of your post and the negativity from it, it seemed that way. Let me break down your post to further aid the people that will try to learn!!  

 

13 hours ago, Unknown Criminal said:

Omg wow, what a  warrior lore to absolutely stay away from! Feign.

Not even to talk about the absolute garbage sword / dagger combo (especially for a fg)  from a  shear lack of quality worth, as is the combo sets itself up to be tooled.

Well, its not really garbage. Its one of the stronger lores, in my personal opinion(especially for an FG). The combo sets itself up to focus on your main hand weapon and if you used a high avg damage fire weapon, you'd have done considerable damage as it makes your main hand unblockable.  

13 hours ago, Unknown Criminal said:

This fiegn warrior though is super shit...  Compared to being able to disarm noremove weapons OR keep people from fleeing or the other main selects it's an absolute joke that I wouldn't wish on @f0xx himself, yes, that says a lot.

Exotic lore is extremely strong, especially when used with certain cabals, but feign is that much stronger. An FG Feign Warrior in Reaver, for instance, would be VERY powerful. Or a feign warrior in Watcher.  

13 hours ago, Unknown Criminal said:

Leading with dirt.... two round lag then feign is horrible where it takes 3-5 rounds to initiate that feign depending on what your opponent does in those first couple rounds in return. Yes it's a good select 'in theory', however it takes waaay too many rounds vs anyone to get the upper hand which always leaves you more than a step behind. 

Sure, you have to make a choice with feign. But you don't have to dirt kick as feign makes your attacks unblockable at a certain point so you might want to shoot for it out the gate. Or, again, you can synergize with Gladiator/Syndicate to avoid having that problem with the auto-dirt/blind. Or, you can Adjudicator and get a bashing pet so you could set it up further.  

As a Fire Giant with a fire weapon your ability to parry is going to be pretty damn high so you will be defending very well against melees.

13 hours ago, Unknown Criminal said:

If bad things happen (aka you are losing) feign can't help, it's offensive and defensive suckage where a 3 attack polearm smashes your 8 attacks, but maybe vs a cleric could be good...?. Anyhow, trash, don't do it.

Feign can really help if you are losing, ESPECIALLY as a fire giant as you are one nice round away from catching up. With a high HP pool, this gives you some time to get to that unblockable round for you main hand. Taking that damage will certainly help you catch up.  

So, like I said. User error. The warrior lore is NOT trash, it is VERY effective, you just hopped in at 50 and didn't kick ass so its suddenly bad. You used sub-par weapons, didn't change stuff up to make it more viable or ask for ANY guidance on the lore from people that have done it successfully in the past. It became INSTANT trash because YOU could not make it work.  

The only shitty warrior lore is axe/polearm's powergrip. Why? Because there are so many norem weapons that it doesn't give an edge anymore, but that's my opinion.  

[tassinvegeta]

We need MORE players like this, willing to play the game and attempt to learn and test new things. Not less. What do we gain by him and other players not willing to speak up just vanishing? Just wish someone would help him out or point him in the right direction. We're supposed to be a friendly community. Sorry UC I'd try to help but that's one lore I haven't experimented with it. Though from the responses alone it seems there may be something you're missing. Therefore it may be beneficial to keep testing before calling it quits.

[Trick]

I will help anyone and everyone that asks for it. I have even gone on record saying I will share restricted information. Furthermore, I have given up promotions, sacrificed my own IG experience, or stifled my own personal advancement in the game so that others may succeed and experience some of the "special" things that can happen in this game. I am 110% about improving the player experience.

What I DO not advocate is someone saying how horrible something is, then try to turn the blame on others because they didn't give advice. He didn't ASK for help before posting his "OMGWTF THIS COMBO SUCKS" post. He jumped RIGHT to it.

He could have asked on Discord, on General Discussion, asked the IMMs, had them post FOR him as to not reveal his character, and more. But he didn't. He spent 12 hours ranking to 50, got his shit pushed in while wearing mediocre EQ, then deleted and declared it a bad lore. That's not "testing". That's speed-running to 50 and try to own. If he would have been dominating, he would stuck with the character, got caballed, and then some. But his initial failures did align with his expectations so he did the above and deleted.

[Unknown Criminal]

9 minutes ago, Fireman said:

Of course, bud. I'm sorry if I thought you were throwing a fit. Given from the "OMG" factor of your post and the negativity from it, it seemed that way. Let me break down your post to further aid the people that will try to learn!!  

 

Well, its not really garbage. Its one of the stronger lores, in my personal opinion(especially for an FG). The combo sets itself up to focus on your main hand weapon and if you used a high avg damage fire weapon, you'd have done considerable damage as it makes your main hand unblockable.  

Exotic lore is extremely strong, especially when used with certain cabals, but feign is that much stronger. An FG Feign Warrior in Reaver, for instance, would be VERY powerful. Or a feign warrior in Watcher.  

Sure, you have to make a choice with feign. But you don't have to dirt kick as feign makes your attacks unblockable at a certain point so you might want to shoot for it out the gate. Or, again, you can synergize with Gladiator/Syndicate to avoid having that problem with the auto-dirt/blind. Or, you can Adjudicator and get a bashing pet so you could set it up further.  

As a Fire Giant with a fire weapon your ability to parry is going to be pretty damn high so you will be defending very well against melees.

Feign can really help if you are losing, ESPECIALLY as a fire giant as you are one nice round away from catching up. With a high HP pool, this gives you some time to get to that unblockable round for you main hand. Taking that damage will certainly help you catch up.  

So, like I said. User error. The warrior lore is NOT trash, it is VERY effective, you just hopped in at 50 and didn't kick ass so its suddenly bad. You used sub-par weapons, didn't change stuff up to make it more viable or ask for ANY guidance on the lore from people that have done it successfully in the past. It became INSTANT trash because YOU could not make it work.  

The only shitty warrior lore is axe/polearm's powergrip. Why? Because there are so many norem weapons that it doesn't give an edge anymore, but that's my opinion.  

That was an excellent reply, thank you   

I see your points when you bring some cabal skills into the equation, I was only seeing things flat out as they are, not what they could be combined with down the road. Even so, the lore was not for me, was a fun 2 days of testing though  

[Twinblades713]

 

['tarako]

Maybe if logs shown consistent weakness feign could be adjusted to not require dual wielding sword daggers maybe just offhand?

[Unknown Criminal]

My major complaint with the lore was the length of time it took to set up, with what @Fireman added to the thread the lore has some potential but you are kinda forced into either this cabal or that one. Other lores are basically 1 click pass or fail which better suits my playstyle, and to be honest, the feign lore made me feel like I was playing a non hasted blademaster. Heh  

[f0xx]

11 hours ago, Unknown Criminal said:

My major complaint with the lore was the length of time it took to set up, with what @Fireman added to the thread the lore has some potential but you are kinda forced into either this cabal or that one. Other lores are basically 1 click pass or fail which better suits my playstyle, and to be honest, the feign lore made me feel like I was playing a non hasted blademaster. Heh  

A non hasted blademaster gets 5 attacks per round max (if dual wielding).

A hasted blademaster gets 6 attacks per round max (if dual wielding).

A dual wielding warrior gets up to 8.5  (.5 because of fired weapons /2, although that's an unblockable attack).

So you are playing a class that on average gets 6-7 attacks per round and say you feel like a non-hasted BLM who gets an average of 4-5. It's just a pretty crappy comparison, even when compared to a hasted BLM.

But I guess you are just joking again.

Either way, the joke (or the comparison) is a crappy one.

Now if you had said that it makes you feel like player a blademater (alone, without the "non-hasted" part) I would have agreed wholeheartedly. But the fact that you added "non-hasted" shifts the ephasis away from the lore (which is quite similar indeed to onslaught) and stresses on your claim that a warrior gets as many attacks as a non-hasted BLM. Which is just an absurd thing to claim.

That being said, if you made a post about all the combos you fail with, saying they suck, will there be a combo left that doesn't suck? 😛

[Tantangel]

Holy shit, forget the Death Nut Challenge or any other hot food challenge, apparently @f0xx has got the Roasting @Unknown Criminal Challenge in full swing.

Seriously though, I would say to try and test it out longer than just two days. It's difficult to really say a lore is any good  with limited play time. It took me 300 hours literally to try and figure out exactly how I could go about soloing certain MOBs in the game on a class I hadn't played in years. The main reason being that so much has changed since then  not just in tweaks to said class but also the addition to varying new EQ added to make the game more interesting since my last break.

You seem to pretty much gravitate towards Warmaster already with many of your characters, you could perhaps start trying out and using feign as a lore again but as a Warmaster on both sides depending on how many you end up testing out. I once thought I knew everything there was to mana charge for instance considering I had played a few of them and understood the basics of it. That was until someone else asked how much was too much after already putting in a ton of mana after it had already been charged up quite a bit. It forced me to test that out more, and although their way was effective, I found that my way was a sure way to live at least and flare minimally, but there were more than just the way I had been doing it.

As far as that rule goes though, it's so old that it doesn't seem feasible to keep it a secret anymore. Look at how many video games there are out there that have varying codes completely released to gain X perks and they're not horded by any means. With Halloween Madness giving you a chance to break down those barriers it seems silly and stupid to not allow it to be spoken about. I can understand for new additions being guarded, but most classes and their skills/spells have been around for a long time making it unnecessary to have it be taboo to speak about openly. I know feign has been recently changed (between the last time I played until returning two years ago), it's been quite a while since making me feel like it shouldn't be against the rules. If a change has been around less than a year though, sure. Any longer though, what's the point?

[Unknown Criminal]

F0xx is one of those 'special people' who can take the way I feel, mull it around in his head for a while, then turn around and tell me I don't actually feel that way because it doesn't fit his description of what he thinks I should be feeling. Then he goes into a slight rant explaining why his interpretations of how I feel are more appropate as he tries to explain himself with my feelings. Lol

As he continues to 'overthink' my simple simple simple comparison between the feign warrior and a blademaster i.e. Feign feign feign feign vs onslaught onslaught onslaught onslaught he starts breaking down class differences to prove his own points. In all reality my thoughts on the comparison stopped loooong ago, it ended with a lack of haste.

Then to top it off he needs to raise his own self esteem by creating even more flame bait by saying I suck... What really sucks is I can't even reply properly in my own sarcastic way wherre jokes like 'your brother daddy' are better left to professional comedians.  

In all seriousness, thanks for the replies guys  

[Anume]

@f0xx please stop baiting people. Try to be a little less abrasive if possible, we both know your way to express yourself can be taken as being quite offensive at times. You often have very good advise but wrap it up in a way that makes it somewhat hard to swallow.