Imoutgoodbye Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 I'm walking. Been thinking about this for over a few weeks. Honestly, there's not much for Heralds to do. It's a real pity when the evil alignments are more respectful and interactive with a good aligned Herald than the other good aligned characters. The RP is all kinds of screwy lately. It's weak and sad with the exception of a few characters. I'm volunteering for a local political campaign with the time I would have spent on the mud. Actually already started by working the mailing list and co-managing the social media. If you want to see change, you have to create it; contrary to the popular belief in that toxic Discord chat (which never should have been allowed in the first place), I don't just whine. I go out and make things happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rygothran Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 That's a shame man. Hate to see you go. Roll an evil, come to the dark side. On the flip side, glad to hear you are passionate about politics. We need to get involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 Evils are great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloth Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Sorry to see you go. I enjoyed Siejero quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tantangel Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 That's definitely unfortunate on one side, but overall good for you that you've decided to place your time elsewhere. Heralds definitely could use some kind of revamp and tweaks considering what they get for powers. I enjoyed the notes you sent, and laughed a little on the Berston vs 3 Knights one. Good luck with your endeavors going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 heralds...are unstoppable. I find it weird thinking they need any change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tantangel Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 I'm not saying they weren't either. I'm saying that once you literally hit Trusted, that's pretty much the extent of their entertainment. What follows after that is basically pure RP (which gets boring as hell when you have new characters asking about your history or them trying to tell you all about them. I prefer back and forth RP and not just repeated messages that eventually sound mechanical even to myself. Your definition of rework and mine are extremely different too. Like maybe getting a Leader skill rather than nothing at all since Elder has about the most fancy RP command in game that I honestly wish I had as a non-Herald. And a more even spread on when people get those other skills. I'm not saying to rework them to make them stronger, just make it so that eventually if you get Leader it's an actual accomplishment with something added to freshen it up some. That could mean the Elder skill becomes the Leader skill, and recharging staves and wands could be the Elder skill while over charging them would be the Trusted still along with invoking relics. That could easily be swapped though. Herald is the strongest Cabal in the game pretty much because of its uses, but it's also the most mundane and boring Cabal I've ever been in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexi Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 Does Herald even need to be a cabal? Could it not exist as an organization similar to Royals/Nobles? People who want to write books and spread information could gain the 'Herald' flag, while still being allowed to join an actual cabal? EDIT: I feel I need to elaborate a little on my feelings here. A cabal to me is an organization with specific ideals, goals, and purpose in the world. These organizations are usually put into the context of historical rivalries or opposing agendas, whereas the Heralds (much as royal/noble) are defined by a lack of ambitions; their purpose is to remain neutral and outside the politics of the world, while chronicling the events for later generations. Meanwhile, they are glorified mailmen, sending notes to everyone because for some reason no one else is allowed to. Allowing the characters that feel passionately about history and scholastic pursuits to join the Heralds as a separate organization from their cabal might make people feel less of the 'boredom' or lack of personal goals than they do in other circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magick Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 Maybe there needs to be another Herald war to shake things up, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tantangel Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 Lacking ambition is probably more of a case by case issue and not just specific to an entire Cabal or group of people in general. Part of the reason they don't really do wars and go strictly with RP is the fact that it's usually frowned upon and they're also extremely strong due to their early skill sets that is added on top of it. Bards are the only people who can note to all (after level 20 or 30 if I recall right) outside of Elder+ in a Cabal or Herald. The issue with them combining into other Cabals is that they'd be still in the midst of dealing with their wars as well which doesn't always appeal to the people who play specifically for that Cabal. I could easily see this being combined with at least one other Cabal/Clan though, it just depends on how everything occurs and whether it's going to be accepted or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fool_Hardy Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 Heralds are NOT unstoppable. Its the only cabal where sight is required to utilize cabal abilities. War masters can stance blind. Knights/Tribunal can call a pet blind. Try charging, overloading, or invoking while blind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kyzarius Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 Give me a 3 x heal spell. I don't care if u get blinded. I will run, clear dirt and be at 100%. Then the one time they miss dirt they take 6 hirricanes..plz.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Erelei Posted June 30, 2018 Implementor Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Fool_Hardy said: Heralds are NOT unstoppable. Its the only cabal where sight is required to utilize cabal abilities. War masters can stance blind. Knights/Tribunal can call a pet blind. Try charging, overloading, or invoking while blind. All three of these cabal skills are object oriented. Why wouldn’t you need to see? If you were stancing someone else or calling a pet for someone else they would be object oriented as well and require you to be able to see.. Terrible comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mali Posted July 1, 2018 Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 Valek, I'm not sure if you realize it, but your exit, delete, or taking a break posts are very aggressive to players here and the tone is both reactionary and accusatory. I'm asking you to take a step back and play it cool in your communications to other players and staff here, and to try to develop positive relationships. It sounds like you have a lot on your plate and are sorting things out. However, that is no reason to lash out in a public way that harms us all. Keep your head up and eyes forward! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fool_Hardy Posted July 1, 2018 Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 22 hours ago, Erelei said: All three of these cabal skills are object oriented. Why wouldn’t you need to see? If you were stancing someone else or calling a pet for someone else they would be object oriented as well and require you to be able to see.. Terrible comparison. I understand the mechanics of why. Comparison? I was simply explaining how Heralds CAN be stopped. However, perhaps there is a way to Act, Scribe, or Diplomatic Immunity yourself into a winning PK situation that I never discovered. Simply put, a blind Herald is Lame by design, sight is their weakness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Erelei Posted July 1, 2018 Implementor Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 Assuming being blind is the reason you will lose a fight in any capacity is likely the base reason you lose fights to begin with To be honest, I agree with what's initially said here. Herald honestly doesn't need to be a cabal, and would likely benefit not being one. @Volgathras had an idea to completely trash Herald and add two Herald spots per cabal as intermediaries. I never did get around to completing that task though. Maybe one day.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rygothran Posted July 2, 2018 Report Share Posted July 2, 2018 No thanks on that change. I think it is fine as is. Herald is the only newbie friendly cabal aside from the Merchant subcabal to learn the game without being constantly harassed. There are players who do enjoy the cabal and what it has to offer. It could be turned into something with more relevance but completely removing it or dividing it up is not a good idea IMO. Furthermore, the original poster is out of his damn mind. The role play is weak and sad? No. The role play is better than it has been since I played even if there are still a few people who aren't great or do not give effort towards it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted July 2, 2018 Report Share Posted July 2, 2018 On 6/30/2018 at 11:52 PM, Fool_Hardy said: Heralds are NOT unstoppable. Its the only cabal where sight is required to utilize cabal abilities. War masters can stance blind. Knights/Tribunal can call a pet blind. Try charging, overloading, or invoking while blind. [edit] Also your fail at comparing stuff. Comparing the Herald abilities to "calling a pet" is like comparing a nuke to an AK- So you get some of the strongest abilities (if not THE strongest ability) in the game and you whine that you can't use them blind? How about you flee and wait the dirt out? Complaining that you can't use an op item blind is like complaining you can't blackjack blind. That's like the weirdest complaint ever. Things have to have SOME counterplay after all. It's called balance. [edit] Also you fail at comparing stuff. Comparing the herald abilities to "calling a pet" and "stance" is like comparing a Nuke to an AK-47. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fool_Hardy Posted July 2, 2018 Report Share Posted July 2, 2018 Oh, you guys are right. What do I know about Heralds. Heck, I am not even playing currently. Thought about coming back, but the money is too good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Erelei Posted July 2, 2018 Implementor Report Share Posted July 2, 2018 Hey @Fool_Hardy, I'm sorry you feel that way. I work too, as I'm sure the majority of the players here do too, and I know I make pretty good money myself. I still find time to play every once in awhile (in my case, fix bugs here or there). I'm sorry that you're not able to, though. Further, the above discussion/argument, (or lack thereof) wasn't meant to be a potshot at you or your abilities, or encourage you not to play or come back. Please don't take it all personally - we all have our opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloth Posted July 2, 2018 Report Share Posted July 2, 2018 7 hours ago, Fool_Hardy said: Thought about coming back, but the money is too good. Well damn, now who am I supposed to get fun RP with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manual Labour Posted July 2, 2018 Report Share Posted July 2, 2018 I solo'd the entire game with a slith warrior Herald. There was just 1 single mob I could not beat alone and it was the undead dragon. Sure dirt kick was mildly annoying but that's it. There is even a cure blind artifact for Herald. If you had a mask of adeptus you'd be virtually unblindable (Or if I had gone evil slith, that woulda been smart!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fool_Hardy Posted July 2, 2018 Report Share Posted July 2, 2018 I am not offended. You all know I have nothing but love for my FL family But 70 hrs a week clocked in is draining this old fool, so tired.. Bills all caught up, but it's 400 dollars a day, and sooner or later this Trump economy will falter. I need to take advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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