Brinnyl

['tarako]

Let me first start out by saying brinnyl was awesome fun for a while, but druids are such a weird, and obnoxiously powerful, class. For a fair standard investment gathering herbs, you can essentialgly be immortal. Personally I think the spotted mushrooms need to go. The vast majority of the time I was running around with well over 7k worth of healing consumables that are very, very, easy to use. it just creates a class that has an immense amount of power, with very little downside. Yes druids have a ton of expensive spells, they can also regen mana. Add in pretty much any werebeast  and you have an obnoxiously powerful combination. I will also say that a jaguar beast maybe could use some adjustment, its just too hes5vily tilted against mages, you don't have to make any investment into saves as a jaguar to be op. Vs a caster (sorry till, I didn't know til after I was jag) I cleared most of the game solo, except gear. Between treeform, and foliage, you really can just go anywhere withhout much worry. Toss in a gatestone and it's hilariously easy. Solo killing gorgorak etc. 

 

As for why it just felt that the extent of my rp was "I'm here because xyz chose me to end you." I have gotten this line from 4 or 5 different characters. I made brinnyl in an effort to rally some tribs together, all I got was a note from a militia about how lazy I am lol. From the moment I hit 50 I was in the shit pking, it was fun but overall the playstyle of a druid isn't exciting. You essentially play like a healer. Stand there, do some damage and heal up. Your wins rely totally on your opponent being greedy, or having a huge eq disparity. There isn't much planning needed. Just plop down a Silvanus trap, and spam your dps spell of choice. Druids also have haste enlarge HEAL and slow pretty much on tap as well as access to pretty much every ac buff you could want. I just felt disconnected, and couldn't get the creative juices going again. I was kinda sad, it felt like the church plots and the mini elven rebellion thing kinda died off. Leilani vanishing also sucked as well. All in all I don't think druids should be the way they are. Far too easy to never die. Just isn't really fair to have such an insane damage sponge of a class with druid gate, camouflage, and all the insane stuff brew potion can do.

[sarcon]

First and foremost, druids can get absolutely owned if they are not careful. There is more upkeep than a Battlemage and if you don't know how to use the right tactics your night will be over very quickly. They have nerfed druids a few times already and now your crying about they need a tone down. Easy champ. Just because you don't like playing one doesn't mean you need to bring the bash train along. It is very easy to counter a Jaguar if you know what your doing. It takes a long time to truly understand all the in's and outs of a druid and only players with A LOT of patience can actually keep one going for a long time. I was really looking forward to fighting Brinnyl and kinda cheesed you just dipped like this. Lots of RP was in store for your character and some really god dynamics you could have been apart of. If Druids were SO OP we would have lots of them being successful, yet you will barely ever see them because it takes a different play style to work them. 

[Trick]

Looks like someone’s playing a Druid and doesn’t want them touched. 😉

PS. Anytime a druid is in trouble they just pop druid gate. Not really any real danger there. Like goodie clerics, but with more damage.

 

Brinnyl was awesome. Really showed the extent of a druid and how insane they are now after the buffs. Jaguar too. I might make a jaguar ranger 😜

Good luck with your next!!

[Imoutgoodbye]

Those spotted mushrooms are an issue.  I've heard that from a few players of druids.  Not sure I agree about jaguars just yet.  

 

Sad you're gone.  Should have waited a few weeks.  😏

['tarako]

28 minutes ago, sarcon said:

First and foremost, druids can get absolutely owned if they are not careful. There is more upkeep than a Battlemage and if you don't know how to use the right tactics your night will be over very quickly. They have nerfed druids a few times already and now your crying about they need a tone down. Easy champ. Just because you don't like playing one doesn't mean you need to bring the bash train along. It is very easy to counter a Jaguar if you know what your doing. It takes a long time to truly understand all the in's and outs of a druid and only players with A LOT of patience can actually keep one going for a long time. I was really looking forward to fighting Brinnyl and kinda cheesed you just dipped like this. Lots of RP was in store for your character and some really god dynamics you could have been apart of. If Druids were SO OP we would have lots of them being successful, yet you will barely ever see them because it takes a different play style to work them. 

I have never played a druid, and I took 2 deaths. One linkdead, one to an accidental tag. If you can't any hey, maybe some of this stuff is a little out of wacky  (like werebeast melee output on a class without enhanced damage) then I dunno what to say. This is my deletion thread where I'm voicing my experience earned over a few months of heavy pvp activitiy. And shortly after I had come to 50, there where beasts being leveled every day. I think since I've been in trib there have been 4 or 5 watcher druids. Easily one of the high class counts in the game. If all you wanna do is jump in and start talking shit over my opinion after playing the class you can just stop. I'm tired of all the negativity, and flame baiting. If you can honestly say that being able to farm 300 hp in consumables every 2.5 minutes is perfectly ok then maybe your opinion on what is, and isnt, balanced should just be taken with a grain of salt. 

 

As a player I'm mediocre at best, yet was able to survive pvp vs the highest ranked, best armed, and nastiest Chars in the game. Where I a little faster I would have had many more kills. Sure I'd love to say naw, I'm just a badass. I also am willing to step back and think hrm, I've never played one but did very well without ever having a single ounce of cabal backup, maybe their skill set offers a bit too much.

['tarako]

As far as the in's and outs, you are dramatically fluffing what it takes to be a strong druid. There is no magic formula, get decked, stock consumables. That's literally it. Start to lose, flee and druid gate. I also played a bmg, they do not have more upkeep than a bmg

 

Druid: thorns, arms, sanc, circle. Those are your class buffs. Everything else basic upkeep (detects) or is a consumable via scrolls or brew potion. And your brews are super easy to stock up. To say this is more than a bmg is just lying.

 

It's not that I just cheesed out. I was pking 5 to 8 hours a day for months. I never got to develop friendships, I never got to travel, I never even got to make a pit weapon. I was pvpingat level 50 5 minutes after I got there, and it never stopped. I never had backup, only recently did I have clanmates. I play this game for creative social interaction and some pvp. In the end I got 0 time to actually get anymore rp going. I'd be spammed with coward tells, or I'm here to kill you, while trying g to right notes. After 2 months of the same stuff , I got burnt out. I wasn't having fun playing the class, I wasn't having fun with the rp since the 2 mini plots I was in stalled. I'm here to play for fun, and the fun wasn't there.

['tarako]

33 minutes ago, Trick said:

 

eally showed the extent of a druid and how insane they are now after the buffs. Jaguar too. I might make a jaguar ranger 

 

I did the jag ranger as well just to see and it was incredibly powerful. Akalic. Went glad tracker but I had too many things going on and there are some incredibly frustrating skills out there rn as a glad to deal with.

[Ulmusdorn]

Good character. Sorry to see you go as you were the Bastion of Tribunal. Oh well. Good luck with the next.

[Trick]

48 minutes ago, 'tarako said:

I did the jag ranger as well just to see and it was incredibly powerful. Akalic. Went glad tracker but I had too many things going on and there are some incredibly frustrating skills out there rn as a glad to deal with.

What skills?

['tarako]

1 minute ago, Trick said:

What skills?

Shadowform, and treeform. There is only one way for a glad(that I could find) to bring these out of hiding, and usually when they use these skills they aren't just sitting in one spot so you have to be pretty quick about dropping them.

[Archbishop Monk]

There is a rather simple way to do it that anyone can do.  PM me

['tarako]

I'd prefer it be made public knowledge honestly

[P_body]

Is there a cooldown for turning tree form? Like can't go treeform if bloody? Or can it be turned on at the drop of a hat?

['tarako]

5 minutes ago, P_body said:

Is there a cooldown for turning tree form? Like can't go treeform if bloody? Or can it be turned on at the drop of a hat?

No cooldown or stipulations beyond not having charmed pets. You can flee tree or flee shadow (which happened in a couple fights) akalic was probably a premature deletion, but that's 2 whole cabals, and up to three classes, that get a fairly reliable gtfoh card.

[Imoutgoodbye]

Is the answer quaffing fuschia potions?  Did I know something?  😁

['tarako]

13 minutes ago, Valek said:

Is the answer quaffing fuschia potions?  Did I know something?  😁

Go ahead give that a try with a gladiator ;). 

 

And just like that, back to knowing nothing.

[sarcon]

2 hours ago, 'tarako said:

As a player I'm mediocre at best, yet was able to survive pvp vs the highest ranked, best armed, and nastiest Chars in the game. Where I a little faster I would have had many more kills. Sure I'd love to say naw, I'm just a badass. I also am willing to step back and think hrm, I've never played one but did very well without ever having a single ounce of cabal backup, maybe their skill set offers a bit too much.

You're talking about survivability? Of Course a druid can survive and get away and stay alive with minimal deaths. It's called get your AC up and gate and heal. I also apologize If I came out the game a little harsh, it wasn't meant to be, just my reading into your message was pretty much....The short end of what I took from your post was "I tired a druid, they are pretty tanky, but need a lot of upkeep, but honestly won't play them again, so nerf them". 

This is why I kinda chimed in and didn't mean to divert the post. However, how many kills did you get with your Druid? Yes you could survive, that's easy as a druid. Sure you might have spawned some people to try it out. But how many people did you kill and finish or capture? What was your KD?

I can probably count on 1 hand how many actually successful druids there have been... so if again just to chime in, if they were so OP, there would be A LOT more successful ones. I'm not talking about flash in the pan I made a druid and got stomped and then stopped playing them kinda characters, but actually Druids that put a dent into the Player base. 

P.s I'm all still cheesed you left man... Like pretty wakadoodle,  Really wanted grind it out with you. 

[Zoichan]

I don't think I ever sent you a note about being lazy...

['tarako]

3 minutes ago, Zoichan said:

I don't think I ever sent you a note about being lazy...

Omg no definitely nor you at all. You where always awesome to interact with. It was a militia member who was mad about not being instantly promoted through the ranks and not being instantly allowed to apply.

[Aulian]

47 minutes ago, sarcon said:

I can probably count on 1 hand how many actually successful druids there have been... so if again just to chime in, if they were so OP, there would be A LOT more successful ones. I'm not talking about flash in the pan I made a druid and got stomped and then stopped playing them kinda characters, but actually Druids that put a dent into the Player base. 

 

Do I take up the first 4 fingers? 

['tarako]

41 minutes ago, sarcon said:

You're talking about survivability? Of Course a druid can survive and get away and stay alive with minimal deaths. It's called get your AC up and gate and heal. I also apologize If I came out the game a little harsh, it wasn't meant to be, just my reading into your message was pretty much....The short end of what I took from your post was "I tired a druid, they are pretty tanky, but need a lot of upkeep, but honestly won't play them again, so nerf them". 

This is why I kinda chimed in and didn't mean to divert the post. However, how many kills did you get with your Druid? Yes you could survive, that's easy as a druid. Sure you might have spawned some people to try it out. But how many people did you kill and finish or capture? What was your KD?

I can probably count on 1 hand how many actually successful druids there have been... so if again just to chime in, if they were so OP, there would be A LOT more successful ones. I'm not talking about flash in the pan I made a druid and got stomped and then stopped playing them kinda characters, but actually Druids that put a dent into the Player base. 

P.s I'm all still cheesed you left man... Like pretty wakadoodle,  Really wanted grind it out with you. 

What I'm saying is that I fought with the strongest characters in the game without a problem. I LEARNED the class fighting people like mordred. I also by no means got beat down. I was put in bad positions but the raw survivability of a druid makes dying mostly not possible as long as you bother hitting aff often. My pk record wasnt stellar, I just wasn't hyper aggressive. Most people who had fought me would like agree that had I been faster I would have had a stronger pk record. That's my failure not the class. The fact remains I learned to pk as a druid vs the he strongest chars in the game without really much trouble. That's why I feel that things like the spotted mushrooms are imbalanced. In about a tick, maybe 1.5, I could heal hp to full, another tick after that and mana is back to 100 as well.  Now the fact they have that potent of a recovery system, while being able to get away from a fight pretty much at will a number of ways, is very strong.

[Aulian]

5 minutes ago, 'tarako said:

What I'm saying is that I fought with the strongest characters in the game without a problem. I LEARNED the class fighting people like mordred. I also by no means got beat down. I was put in bad positions but the raw survivability of a druid makes dying mostly not possible as long as you bother hitting aff often. My pk record wasnt stellar, I just wasn't hyper aggressive. Most people who had fought me would like agree that had I been faster I would have had a stronger pk record. That's my failure not the class. The fact remains I learned to pk as a druid vs the he strongest chars in the game without really much trouble. That's why I feel that things like the spotted mushrooms are imbalanced. In about a tick, maybe 1.5, I could heal hp to full, another tick after that and mana is back to 100 as well.  Now the fact they have that potent of a recovery system, while being able to get away from a fight pretty much at will a number of ways, is very strong.

I haven't played in a while but as the process is now explained to me I don't like the sound of the changes to brew. Meh. I have very rose tinted glasses too I'm sure.

[Archbishop Monk]

You see, I don't have too much of a problem with their defensiveness.  They are suppose to be a tanky class.  My last druid could pretty much easily down the Gor'gorak due to it.  It is not really the offensiveness of the class either as it is situational.  The true trouble comes in with werebeasts.  Druids were never meant to have the melee offensiveness of a whip.  Maces at most was the most offensive they can get.  With the werebeast changes, werebeast druids can now have the defensiveness of the old druids with the new offensiveness of werebeasts fighting like they have dual whips. 

[Imoutgoodbye]

No kidding about that offensiveness.  I got caught by a werebeast ranger who had 3 levels on me and I didn't have sanc or any buffs on....

1 round and dead.  I've never seen myself go from full hp to dead before 🤣

[English lad]

The Werebeast Weapon / Transform thing is clearly a bug that has been in place forever.  Certain classes aren't supposed to have access to certain weapon types, and it really should be addressed.

A lot of our balance issues come down to the fact that we have added / found ways to get around class design limitations.

Classes without cure crit aren't supposed to have cure crit - yet we let Nymph hearts dominate the balance forever - that was a good change.

Classes without Shadowform aren't supposed to have it on tap - yet we gave it to a cabal for free.

The game would be much easier to balance if we stopped trying to give every class the ability to do everything, and just accepted that design works better when Classes have their own niche, and their own unique abilities that make them special. Adding consumables to give classes abilities outside of their design is never going to create good balance.