Thoughts

[shaggyboiler]

As I sat on line last night for several hours just wondering around looking for things I didn't know existed, I found myself thinking and thinking some more. I consider myself a very newb when it comes to the current version of FL. I've yet to pinn any character and this is where my thoughts go. Maybe its just me maybe its how I RP, but I find going from level 35 or 40 to pinn very very borring. I actually like the RP facter better at the earlier years of life and mid life. Yet there are very few things that can be done early on in life. Back in early FL I had several characters that were cabled, undead, and other special things. All those char were made that way very early in life, yes I did get to pinn on some of them others I left not so cause of the fun I had. Ex was a special Bard that I rped up, Avariel gave me a very unique instrument and RP'ed for hours with me. I even got to play some songs for the other IMMs. That kind of thing was fun. I miss the gods/IMMs playing with you / comeing down and talking to you. I recall being slayed multiple times for my RP, but that was what I was going for at the time. I've been back for about a month and have had one small conversation with a IMM when I got a dragon went something like

IMM "you done very well in describing yourself"

Me "Thank you great one" IMM"

IMM "been a pleasure to meet and see you"

Me " I would love to sit down and discuss some ???? with you"

IMM - no responce

--- your gained some exp and...

--- IMM gives you a dragon

--- IMM dissapears in a swirl of mist (or something like that)

That was it. Other than that, had a app go denied yet never discussed. That might be the norm now before I had one or two denied but then the IMM cam down to tell me why at some point and I actually RPed my way into the app acceptance.

Am I just way off here, perhaps tides have changed, perhaps I should go off and do my own then, perhaps FL is just not for me in how I want to play.

Well anyway many random thoughts. Just and to put them down.

Thanks for listening.

Shaggy

[Malchaeius]

Consider the following:

Person1 prays "My description is done"

Person2 prays "My desc is finished great Lord"

You go to person1 and start checking the desc.

person3 prays "I've noticed a bug that is screwing up my char"

person4 prays "So and so is multikilling me"

cabalguy chats "Great lord, might I have a word with you?"

Finish checking the description.

person2 prays "Hello? My desc is done and i can't rank"

cabaguy chats "Lord?"

person5 tells you "Permission to speak in a strange tongue?"

Reward person1 with a dragon.

Begin conversing with the cabalguy and the bugged person.

person1 says "Let's RP!"

You are still conversing with 3-4 people at once while snooping the bugged person to see what the problem is.

person4 prays "He JUST killed me again!"

person1 says "Ummm...?"

say Well done.

You leave

person1 thinks "Why didnt he RP with me?

It is just not fair to us to judge the whole staff or the entire MUD based on one or two experiences. We give as much attention as possible. Sometimes we just can not afford to sit with one person to talk with for hours. If you are the type of player that always requires attention and gets angry when they do not always receive said attention, then perhaps FL is not for you and how you wish to play. Otherwise, I feel that this is a great game.

[delfytheelfy]

and tot hink alot of times I just RP with the Imm so they don't get bored lol LOL

*note to self* Leave Imms ALONE!

[shaggyboiler]

Ok, yes I do understand the IMMs are VERY busy. I once did get the chance to see what all the IMMs had to deal with while doing some programming on FL. So I know your busy and I've seen all the prays and convestaions and so on that goes on your screen, and didn't mean for it to come off as a rip session on the IMMs not what I ment at all.

I understand why the staff can't always RP and why would you want to with a level 2 person right? Who is to know if they will make it to level 3 before a DEL is done. I can see that side of it.

It was just some thoughts I had. I know this game is ment for the PINNs and I assume thats where you can really get into RP with the Staff these days.

It was just a observastion of mine of how it is today and maybe I was just lucky on earlier FL version being able to get one on one and one on many converstaions with IMMs. I might not be playing at the right times either.

I'll keep my thougts to myself and go on now.

[Lethereal]

In their defense, I have seen IMM’s interact with players on quite a few occasions. There was even one in the middle of Rhydin once playing a chance game with anyone who had the life to spare. It was really neat.

I know that the IMM’s are definitely trying, however, I feel that perhaps a few more on staff would make things a little better for everyone. With the work spread around a little more, IMM’s would have more time to spend RPing with players and not feel so stressed with having so many issues at once to deal with. I know I personally had a character who had to wait over a week to get a simple description approval because there was never an IMM around – it was definitely frustrating.

I’ve been on the other end too when I as an IMM a million years ago – I know it can be frustrating when you have to take care of so many problems. Again, it’s a good thing to have some more IMM’s out there as a new IMM will be fresh and excited to help and to RP, etc.

Anyway, just a suggestion – I hope I’m not stepping on any toes by speaking my mind on this one.

[Iusedtobesomebody]

i gave you an instrument? hrmmm, i don't remember it, but i must have had a good reason. heh. anyways, since i've only been back a week so far, i can't comment on how much/how little the current staff interacts with the p-base. i do know, however, the zillion-things-coming-at-you-a-minute-lifestyle of being an IMM. but, on the other hand, i sat for hours with nothing to do on many occasions. it was then that i could RP with whomever, wherever. i would pick a random person, snoop them for a while, and if they interested me (i.e. they RP while ranking and not just spamming 'dirt nymph') i would interact. i LOVED to bug Shandronas (Bryn's halfer healer) everytime he logged on... and it became a plot that spanned months.

i loved to interact with morts as an IMM, and i loved it the other way too. both us, as the p-base, and the IMMs just need to take the time, while understanding RL issues sometimes interfere.

[shaggyboiler]

Yes you gave me a instrument. You know I can't recall why exactly, but I belive we were playing a game in town and you asked me to play some songs. I started to and then you or another imm complained about the tone of the music and so on, went on for quite some time. The next day or so you appeard and talked to me and then handed me a new instrument in the end. Again I think that was how it went.

I'm not even sure how many imms there are these days.

Again I don't want to get on a session of crying about IMMs my orginal thoughts were just seem like RP is lacking good ideas and counter ideas from the mid level area. I just find it boring to constantly rank yet can't get a good RP going either. Might just be me.

[Deykari]

Again I don't want to get on a session of crying about IMMs my orginal thoughts were just seem like RP is lacking good ideas and counter ideas from the mid level area. I just find it boring to constantly rank yet can't get a good RP going either. Might just be me.

Remember that you don't need an Immortal to start any good roleplay off. Sure, I can understand sometimes needing to speak with your deity as opposed to another mortal, but if you're finding getting some good RP going around those mid-ranks, forget the Immortals and go out and find this RP off your own back. Aabahran is a living, breathing world, and although sometimes it doesn't seem like it, there are plenty of people out there who are willing to stop and chat (I'd wager the majority of players of FL), and all you need to do is have a goal or a direction in mind to take this little chat, and more often than not you'll get some good RP sessions going.

As for the other point about Immortal interaction with players, I personally take the same approach as I do with players; it's good to have an Immortal talk with you after you've had your description approved, but it takes two to tango, so take initiative. An Imm comes down approve your description? Throw in a quick emote or two in there to maybe show you want to talk; I have never had an Immortal walk away when I use out-of-the-norm emotes, or if I directly ask them something/make a statement that they're going to want to give a response to.

I see a good deal of Immortal interaction in FL, infact. But if you're looking for more, take it up on yourself to find it, and be persistent (without being annoying, unless it's in your RP ). It definately works for both Immortals and Players that way; you might not get an Imm coming down to approve your app and talk because they're busy, but at the very least, let your feelings for wanting to talk be shown. You can even do that indirectly with notes:

* A small piece of paper floats about in the wind. It appears to be a snipping of a diary *

24th of

lolwaffles, i still need those blingin' new bulbs for my car headlights. i desperately been prayin' for some love but my prayers haven't been answered..maybe i wasn't destined to drive.

Again, that's all just my opinion. Not saying you're wrong or anything shaggyboiler.

Dey

[Malchaeius]

Lethereal, if no IMMs are on and you need a description approval, send a note to immortal. You will be approved when you are offline.

You guys do realize that we just had a month-long RP plot that involved the physical changing of 3 areas as well as the implementation of a new one, right? Involving several cabals and anyone else who wanted to toss in their 2 Galvas. Other than ending with the implementation of the area as an end-goal, everything else that happened in that plot was pretty open-ended.

I did not mean for you to think that your opinions are not appreciated Shaggy, I merely wanted to let you know that sometimes we will not be able to respond. It tends to just be luck. I genuinely do hope that you have fun while playing this game.

On the flip side, I have also seen Anithraril sit in CC for hours, visible, and eagerly waiting for RP, only to have people walk in, look at him, tip their hats / bow / kneel, and continue on their merry way.

[Shaun]

I think you guys are doing great.

I, personally, will stop whatever it is I am doing, to RP with anyone wanting to.

[shaggyboiler]

I started something today crazy I'm looking forward to seeing where it goes.

I admit I missed the recent RP plot, not being in cables or really wanting to be might be some of my problem too.

[Chayesh]

Also, I know I have approved many apps. So many in fact that I recall the pbase complaining that I approved too many just a few months back.

Then the players of these quest classes began deleting for one reason or another and not as many have reapplied. I can't make quest races and classes with no applicants.

For the record, when the players complained just a few short months ago, there were 4 vampires, 3 undead, and 3 liches.

[Nightmare_from_hell]

That's they way I like it though Chayesh... Maybe I should try once again for another...

[Chayesh]

That's they way I like it though Chayesh... Maybe I should try once again for another...

Now if you'd just stop playing healers...

[Warpnow]

We need more goodie qraces/qclasses. I haven't seen a sader/psi/avatar in a while...

If I didn't roll combos that have absolutely no chance of beating the opponents I unwittingly attack over and over I might would be able to get one. heh.

To the point...how much would it rock if there was a lower level imm for each religion dedicated to rping with his followers...

*drool*

[Deykari]

We need more goodie qraces/qclasses. I haven't seen a sader/psi/avatar in a while...

Actually, we just need more goodies in general. The last week or so alone almost made me think there was some sort of bug in the MUD that wouldn't let people be goods, due to the intense numbers of evils about, with a few neuts..

I like your idea, Warpnow, but you know what I think would also be cool? A character who RPs themself to be some sort of Messenger for that particular deity/religion. Like somebody who not just follows the religion, but who delivers word from their deity and passes it on to the masses, so to speak. Obviously there would need to be some sort of confirmation from the Immortal in question, so as not to just go out and start saying what's right and wrong about said religion.

Just an idea anyway. It might be a bit redundant, seeing as things are good IMO as they are now.

Dey

[Shaun]

That does sound a bit repregnant.

[Wathok]

Keep in mind that roleplaying with other players can be just as rewarding as roleplaying with an Immortal, if not more so. In fact, logging in as a mortal gives me more opportunities to roleplay than logging in as my Imm simply because my mort doesn't have to deal with admin stuff. I am actually quite confident that many people would actually prefer to interact with my morts instead of my Imm.

[shaggyboiler]

I agree I enjoy the RP with the pbase. Though sometimes hard to do when not at pinn I think. I did get a good RP session going with a few morts and a imm last night. Best time I've had since being back. The IMM had me in the corner cyring in fear. And the mort had me laugh from the constant headach I had.

[Nightmare_from_hell]

Now if you'd just stop playing healers...

*** Shudders at the horror ***

Only had two of those evil beasts... one at 36 & one that never actually got past 31... never liked their playing style. Kinda like Behrens and Invokers... During my little forced hiatus I was rolling around some ideas for my next applicant... I think I'll start him up

[Warpnow]

Healers are the most powerful class FL has to offer, plain and simple.

And dey, what you explained are how other muds use the hero system...maybe we should revive it?

[Deykari]

I actually originally posted it as a preposition for the Hero system, then edited my post because I thought there might be little point in setting a system in place for something that could be achieved with really, really tight RP as a regular pinn. After all, to become a hero, you need that standard of RP anyway.

Dey

[ajwetton]

We need more goodie qraces/qclasses. I haven't seen a sader/psi/avatar in a while...

I know what ya mean, I have a friend who lives in town with me that plays, and we'll hang out and such and watch each other play, I like watching PK as well as actually Pking,(yes i'm a dork) but He applied for a q-class over a month ago and has still recieved no word, He's been told to re-send at least once that I know of, i'm not sure if its supposed to be this long of a wait or what but it seems to me over all and this falls even to morts with cabal enterance voting that its taking longer and longer and longer. It gets to the point that I lose steam if I get on FL no word from my select application

go pk and send most people in my range runnin for such a long time, then i lose interest in my character. Maybe thats just me but theres only so much pk you can do before it becomes routine IMO.

[Nightmare_from_hell]

Then don't just PK... It's about RP as well as being able to survive (not strict PK as you see) I believe it was said before that you have a better chance if your PK record is 1-0 or 2-0 rather than 25-0. It's the ability to survive that is better than strictly going out and clearing your PK range... There's always someone out there to start some RP with or something to start RP with...

[J.Twendrist]

I always thought that the rp with the IMMs was a bonus. I find it great to rp with the pbase and a lot of my characters have been mostly devoted to rp (because I can't pk for anything) and it's always great to get an rp plot going, but when you have an Immortal join in... thats awesome. It boost's the rp from a 10 out of 10, to a 12 out of 10 (scale based on those really hardcore kick arse plots)