WagesofSin Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 It just occured to me that thieves and ninjas can initiate PvP attacks without the victim ever knowing. A Ninja can assassinate while still hidden for example, while a thief can blackjack and steal. So my question is, if a Tribunal is a victim to these attacks and does not see the hidden attacker, do they have the right to make said attacker WANTED? Suppose they did not see the thief/ninja, however they do see that on the WHO list there is only one ninja/thief in the game. Obviously that one ninja/thief -must- have been the attacker. Would it be OOC to place a WANTED flag on that thief/ninja? Seems the tribunal would be using the who list(which is pretty OOC in my opinion) to aid him in finding out who the hidden attacker was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celerity Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Used to be that they could not. Now they can. So, if you are a thief/ninja and even prepare to assassinate(study), you can be marked wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiffisnimble Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 hmm so a thief/ninja preparing to assinate can be labaled wanted. wouldnt it however be hard to see one hidden and preparing to assinate. i dont think their is really much that can be done when they are hidden and even using the who list you dont see those that are hidden so if he attacks and hides again and that so called tribunal uses the who list and see only one ninja he would blame him and make him wanted when really the ninja he seeks is yet again behind him and kills him. i just dont understand maybe. i am somewhat new to the lands myself i now very little its changed since last i played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deykari Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 so a thief/ninja preparing to assinate can be labaled wanted. wouldnt it however be hard to see one hidden and preparing to assinate. Yep. It happened to me with a ninja; hide failed, Tribunal had detect magic up, saw me studying, wanted me. i dont think their is really much that can be done when they are hidden and even using the who list you dont see those that are hidden so if he attacks and hides again and that so called tribunal uses the who list and see only one ninja he would blame him and make him wanted when really the ninja he seeks is yet again behind him and kills him True again. In that situation, I would imagine the Tribunal who wrongly marked the ninja/thief would be reprimanded (though I might be wrong). Moral of the story would be to not just mark the one ninja/thief you see on the who list, unless you know that they are the only ninja/thief about. Dey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warpnow Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 The laws still require them to SEE it happen. On Crelle I filed a complaint against a tribunal who wanted an academy member who strangled him but never initiated or sowed himself. I also did something similar on Tizz regarding thief traps, the law says they have to SEE you LAY them, and if hidden thy can't tell who did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iyorvin Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Heh, just mark them for not showing themself. If they do show themself you can look at them with detect magic. So either they have nothing to 'hide' haha, good one Iyorvin, or they remain unseen, and thus wanted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warpnow Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Heh' date=' just mark them for not showing themself. If they do show themself you can look at them with detect magic. So either they have nothing to 'hide' haha, good one Iyorvin, or they remain unseen, and thus wanted [/quote'] You only have to unhide when asked to. Hide;set trap tribunal says step out of shadows You step out They still can't prove you set the trap. Having set a trap in the past 5 ticks is not incriminating, because the law SPECIFICALLY says they have to PERSONALLY see you set it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iyorvin Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Lmao. Defuse trap. Thought we are talking ninjas here. Thieves can't assassinate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warpnow Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Quite a few traps can't be defused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiegel06 Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 When I played my trib, YOU have to witness them laying the trap. If a ninja/thief blackjack/strangles me and I did not see who did it I can not mark them. However if I get knocked out and then ask the person to show themselves and they do not then the Trib can mark them for not showing themselves. And studying in town IS illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wathok Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 When I played my trib' date=' YOU have to witness them laying the trap. If a ninja/thief blackjack/strangles me and I did not see who did it I can not mark them. However if I get knocked out and then ask the person to show themselves and they do not then the Trib can mark them for not showing themselves. And studying in town IS illegal.[/quote'] Spielgel06 is correct; Tribunes have to witness the crime being clearly performed by a visible ninja/thief to mark the ninja/thief a criminal. This has to do with roleplay, and less with code. Asking ninjas and thieves to show themselves, however, can be very tricky. All I can say is that everyone should read up on the law tomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warpnow Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 I have the law tomes as good as memorized. The tribs who wanted Tizz and his pals should know this, I sent quite a few notes with quotes from law tomes. Also did some similar things with Crelle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hegemon Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 They just want based on _____, and there is _____ you can do about it, because you were _____ing in the first place, where ______ is your imagination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deykari Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Spielgel06 is correct; Tribunes have to witness the crime being clearly performed by a visible ninja/thief to mark the ninja/thief a criminal. This has to do with roleplay' date=' and less with code. Asking ninjas and thieves to show themselves, however, can be very tricky. All I can say is that everyone should read up on the law tomes.[/quote']. So assuming I am the only ninja online, and according to who, the only being that can hide/camo or whatever, and then I strangle a Tribunal, blind them, and then kill them, they wouldn't be able to mark me wanted? They'd know it was me by me being the only ninja online via who but if they didn't actually see anything at all, they can't want me? Dey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warpnow Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Correct. Read the tomes. Unless they find two lawful witnesses. But that isn't to say they WON'T but you can write a nice note to tribunal if they do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acerbity Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 That's kinda like how they can mark shamans if they have a doll of them, regardless if they use the doll, or if there's two shamans with two dolls. I really think they should be able to mark if you're the only thief/ninja about. Common knowledge, and using 'WHO' isn't necessarily OOC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wathok Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Actually Acerbity, the voodoo law does take into account whether or not the Tribune has been victimized by a doll. Tribunes are prevented from using the "who" list to mark criminals not for OOC reasons, but for roleplay reasons. It's a matter of forcing Tribunes to follow a very strict code to impose order (or rather Tribunal's definition of order). Think of it as police gathering evidence, where any evidence they find must be obtained in specific ways (i.e. with a warrant, was in plain sight) or it would be thrown out of court even if the evidence clearly showed the suspect to be guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deykari Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 You know what would be funny? Just get two or more ninjas/thieves to stand over a Tribunal and take it in turns to strangle/blackjack them, because they cant want you. You don't even have to hide in shadows. Three thieves just blackjacking the Tribby, the Tribby doesn't know which it is, as no names are mentioned even when the Thief/ninja are in clear sight. Thanks for clearing things up there. Dey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiegel06 Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 that is not true if you strangle someone and you are not hidding it says your name, I know because that has happened to me many times and was foolish enough not to have something to wake me up from it. Only if you are hidding will it not show your name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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