I meant paraphrasing Anume, my fault.
I don’t think you’ve proved anything. I think you’ve shown that no matter how many people, points, or examples are used to prove you wrong and show why what you are saying or doing shouldn’t happen the way it does you will continue to argue your stance and fail to concede a single point. You’re grasping to the one question as if that will someone how prove you right in all of this. And it won’t.
I’m done with this thread. Good luck with your toon. 😁
I'm pretty shocked that the original purpose of that i should have been EASIER to kill. The reason I mentioned 20% is because you had many murder rounds throughout our fights where I lost 200 to 240 hp in a round. That it 20 to 24% of my hp while I cannot hit you back. You saying that I shouldn't get a chance to live after the fourth or fifth round of combat is pretty indicative of your desire to be a pk monster as opposed to having a truly balanced gamestate. Ninjas are easily the most played melee class in the game. Give me another class that has 3 to 4 active. It's been stated a few times that you shouldn't be able to compare the melee output of a rogue to a purely melee character. That isn't how a rogue should function. Thieves can steal, but they cannot dirt murder their way through the playerbase. The last thief that got away with that caused heavy changes, and made sure thieves can't be gladiators because of how imbalanced it was. A thief requires patience and a setup, a ninja requires a macro. One herbal brew and thief setup is mostly wasted. While herbal brew for a ninja mostly doesn't matter. The melee classes don't need to waste the time, and the other paths where gonna poison you anyway.
Belvicet
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To kinda reiterate what @Archbishop Monk monk stated but add a little more, not only do ninjas have this type of output fairly regularly (Kalurin, Seviks, Gordy, Tanjiro, Lentaries, Mordred) but if things go poorly they also have an *exceptional *amount of defensive capabilities that very few other classes have. They can easily compete, and often dominate, the output competition. They also have hide/vanish/mals, burst heal via acupuncture, sustained heal via cure light... what happens to the warrior when he starts losing? Better start hoofin it buddy. The issue was the same with Bards before, the kit is extremely rounded to the point of being the best at a lot of aspects of PK and having comparative to other classes few windows of opportunity for defeat.
Twin hit it on the head.
Guys, you seriously need to stop the torch-waving witch hunts.
If you think there is a balance issue, provide logs, yes. We'll do our best to evaluate and tone if necessary. What you need to stop is taking very unbalanced set ups (e.g uncablled mediocre dressed char vs fully decked cabal elder) and then post these as an indication that we have an inbalance issue. If the uncaballed poorly dressed guy rofl stomps the decked cabal E, then we'd probably look into it. If the E stomps that other guy that is kind of what is to be expected and not NECESSARILY a sign of imbalance. Sometimes it's also player skill involved.
Some things can be taken out of such unbalanced set ups but to fully evaluate the balance of a class is only possible in several fights against different opponents of similar eq, skill, cabal rank.
I'd be very happy if we get more ninja pk logs with opponents of similar eq / skill / cabal setup.
Same goes for bards.
I would also love to hear specific suggestions regarding ninja paths on prayer. E.g. DS should lose skill x, etc.
16 minutes ago, Twinblades713 said:
To kinda reiterate what @Archbishop Monk monk stated but add a little more, not only do ninjas have this type of output fairly regularly (Kalurin, Seviks, Gordy, Tanjiro, Lentaries, Mordred) but if things go poorly they also have an *exceptional *amount of defensive capabilities that very few other classes have. They can easily compete, and often dominate, the output competition. They also have hide/vanish/mals, burst heal via acupuncture, sustained heal via cure light... what happens to the warrior when he starts losing? Better start hoofin it buddy. The issue was the same with Bards before, the kit is extremely rounded to the point of being the best at a lot of aspects of PK and having comparative to other classes few windows of opportunity for defeat.
Thank you for the constructive examples. Makes sense when you compare them that way. Hide + Vanish and Acupuncture + Cure light giving them advantages they probably shouldn't have. Its hard to actually see those being used in most pk logs but they almost always have an impact.
@Belvicet you outmelee'd me a few times too. Sorry you see the post that way. I hope you got something out of knowing you can use 'nofollow' to prevent what happened in the future. In my opinion to achieve a better balanced gamestate in our matchup I'd probably focus more on AC and tactics where you don't leave yourself so open. Your race and cabal doesn't help you defensively much compared to others.
Mordred
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How is everyone fine with this wimpy flee?
Really?
How is a mage supposed to die even if he is not a total noob?
You can't lag them, you can't keep them in combat, wimpy cuts rounds in half and flees for you for no lag at all.
But no....
A decked elder class that is strong against mages kills a noob underdressed uncaballed mage, and that's a proof that this class is OP?
Flawless logic.
You're kind of a really nice guy, you know that?
Not every thread has to be about wimpy, dude. Get over it.
1 hour ago, f0xx said:
How is a mage supposed to die even if he is not a total noob?
This is literally an example of how.
5 hours ago, f0xx said:
How is everyone fine with this wimpy flee?
Really?
How is a mage supposed to die even if he is not a total noob?
You can't lag them, you can't keep them in combat, wimpy cuts rounds in half and flees for you for no lag at all.
But no....
A decked elder class that is strong against mages kills a noob underdressed uncaballed mage, and that's a proof that this class is OP?
Flawless logic.
I have over 400, cabal m, and he is cabal v. Being decked shouldn't just be the gold pass for easy wins. If eq is that big a factor then maybe that's the problem. The pointhe everyone is trying to make is trying his isn't even a make else ninja path, and is able trying his own or this. The fact that you received saying well he has the eq, you need to shut up and die is insane. This is also vs a soul tapped army with me casting at level 52 mals, and prepared to fight the rogue with poison, wand of wind. Please by all means explain how I could have done things differently instead of just blasting off with a solid dose of arrogance. I have 1k hp and he's hitting 200+ reliably without me being blind. If your answer is "get best in slot eq" then I think that's pretty indicative of how needed the eq rebalance is.
Belvicet
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I don't think you should take this so personal Belvicet. I think they're trying to point out that wimpy doesn't differentiate whether its Belvicet that's using it or decked, vet, Savant Elders whom never die anyway. This log is rare in that you almost never see the wimpy abuse + auto-follow. Here you see the aggressor stuck watching the victim move multiple rooms away while he's stuck in the murder lag. In other pk logs you'll see the aggressor try to catch up and anticipate the victims moves once or twice to try to get the kill. It seems very unrealistic to imagine even the fastest chaser having to do this five times in a match of equal footing where they may deserve the kill.